Re: All In One Installer broken
Re: All In One Installer broken
- Subject: Re: All In One Installer broken
- From: Jeremy Matthews <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:04:10 -0500
K,
Far as I remember, the bug you mentioned was due to that magical properties file not being created. Weird Eclipse behavior that is a little difficult to reproduce. A while back I actually included a script to fix this for all users, but it did end up in the installer throwing an error at the end (even though it worked completely fine - just an apple thing). It confused folks, so I removed it.
I have an idea on how to fix this...so I'll have to hack a small app for it that executes on the postinstall script. Think Divx Installer. Blech...but works. Or I could roll it into the management app that I work on sometimes....not ready for public consumption yet.
I mentioned on an earlier email, but there is a single component that I cannot re-share without permission. A _very_nice_ component that someone here helped me get...I'll mention it to him and see what can be done there.
As far as everything else, I was more concerned that upset that no one bothered to talk to me. Maybe I see email lists in a different way. Maybe I lurk too much. Who knows.
For now, until the future is determined here....anyone who has an issue send me a bug report. The notes from your system.log will probably suffice, along with some system info...I actually have an app for that I use with clients. I'll work on that.
Thanks,
j
Only 2 beers? Seriously?
They better be damn good beers....just kidding.
On Dec 6, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Aarrrgghhh - what have I done?!! ....... Jeremy, let me apologize sincerely!! ..... my intention is not to slight you! .... my wife would call this a moment of me having SMS*!
>
> I was being presumptuous when I assumed that it was not right for me/anyone to ask you to fix/maintain this installer, which in reality is the perfect solution if it is kept up to date with environment changes.
>
> So please let us take a step back from the precipice, and if you accept my apology, and if you are still interested in maintaining it, I will be more than happy to keep a virgin environment of SL lying around that can be cloned for me to test the AIO installer for you.
>
> I have not worked with apple installers before.... if it is pretty easy and if your aim was to share some of the maintenance effort, we could set up a googlecode svn repo and I and a couple of other interested devs could help maintain it with guidance from you initially (even creating a svn branch for the last release on outgoing OS's like Leopard).
>
> Alternatively, I can provide details of the current functional issues and if you are willing to make those fixes, I will test them on a virgin Snow Leopard. Jeremy, please let me know if you are still willing to update it...... I would be more than happy to collaborate.
>
> Again, apologies if I offended you by not talking to you directly about the problem,
>
> If I meet you at WOWODC, I now owe you at least 2 beers, one for your efforts on the installer and one for unintentionally offending you :-)
>
> Regards, Kieran
>
> *SMS: Women may get PMS, but men (and I speak for myself!) tend to periodically (often?) get SMS (Stupid Man Syndrome!) .... aka "putting mouth in motion before putting brain into gear"!
>
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>
>> Clearly broken, eh?
>> I suppose after seeing more than a dozen messages no one thought of actually talking to me?
>> Sigh...so many assumptions, so little meaningful conversation....
>>
>> I'm not sure what the issue is, since we test it routinely, and this is the first time we've heard in MONTHS that there was a problem. And now there's talk of abandoning it entirely - within an hour.
>> Nice.
>>
>> So, seems everyone wants to talk AROUND me and not TO me, let me make a few things clear:
>> 1) I regularly test and maintain the installer.
>> 2) Whenever we hear there is an issue we FIX it. Usually pretty damn fast. Ask around.
>> 3) I do not build WO Apps _ROUTINTELY_ anymore - this does not mean I care less about the tools or the installer, or the great people in the community. I still develop too, I just don't advertise it. Usually the opposite since there are tons of talented people here.
>>
>> That being said, if someone wants to take the installer over, fine by me. I've had fun working with some really cool people, and being able to create something a lot of people thanked me for.
>>
>> I've been fortunate to work with this great community, and am sincerely thankful for that. But...if people will not communicate with me, then there is nothing I can do (to help this community). I wish everyone the absolute best of luck.
>>
>> So long, and thanks for all the fish!
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>> P.S. - There have a been more than a few people along the way who said they owed me a beer. If I see you at WWDC, I'll be collecting those!
>>
>>
>> #####
>> I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what the
>> initial installation and setup procedure would be like for a complete
>> newbie on SL, I looked on the wiki for instructions for the simplest
>> possible path to new installation on a virgin Snow Leopard.
>>
>> It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and would
>> probably struggle. :-(
>>
>>
>> After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and then
>> installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from
>> Jeremy's .mac page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses with
>> an est time of 1 day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an error when
>> launching Eclipse after running Jeremy's installer.
>> " An Error has occurred"
>> " See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log"
>>
>> That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages.
>>
>> Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this now ....
>> I am doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the manual way.
>>
>> Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In One)
>> installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow Leopard
>> box, we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one installer and
>> just go write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick Start Guide" for
>> newbies .......so I started a wiki page on this and will work on
>> completing it as I get time. Any thoughts on that? Should I wipe all
>> references on the wiki to the AIO?
>>
>> If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we need to
>> have a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should be
>> comfortable on the command line, so maybe a bash install script that
>> downloads and installs various bits and configures everything might be
>> the better route. Any opinions on that?
>>
>> BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that a
>> newbie would want standard install paths, I set the WOInstaller.jar
>> target as "/", but got an error saying System directory already
>> exists. Should the WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class be changed to just
>> overwrite existing files? Does that "overlay" directory paths (aka
>> merge eith existing files if named differently, or does it realyl
>> "replace" existing directories (ie., wiping them out)?
>>
>> Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before I
>> leave off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting started" for
>> now and go do some work.
>>
>> Regards, Kieran
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