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Re: Using hardware based certificates
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Re: Using hardware based certificates


  • Subject: Re: Using hardware based certificates
  • From: Asa Hardcastle <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:32:41 -0500

Hi Daniel, Cheong, and Travis,

Instead of reproducing the Shibboleth IdP with a WO app, it might be better to have a WO framework that simply cooperates and uses that IdP. To my knowledge; Amazon, Google, and iTunesU and few other companies have adopted the standard on which Shibboleth is based, SAML2, as authentication mechanism. Thus the notion for such a WO framework is for it use the IdP for different Virtual Service Providers are out there.

What you are talking about is creating a WebObjects SAML2 SP Framework that is compatible with Shibboleth IdP. This would be fantastic, and I would be very interested in working on it. It would be an excellent alternative to OpenID and provide true SSO and attribute exchange that could be trusted in high security/privacy environments. One of the things that I do in my non-webobjects capacity is development of an open source ID-WSF 2.0 client library (openliberty.org) called Wakame. Wakame is focused on identity based transactions from server to server in a federated environment at the web services level. My work is built on top of the XMLTooling, SAML2, and WS libraries that are the basis for the java version of Shibboleth - so I have some experience with the tooling environment.


later,

Asa






Any who, just a thought. I don't know if there is a suggestion box, but this would be a great thing for the crew of Apple to weigh in on. In my humble opinion, it would make for a great framework for the community at large, and Apple has a lot of play on this.


Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch
Code 474300D
2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109
China Lake, CA 93555
email@hidden
(760)939-7097


-----Original Message-----
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden ] On Behalf Of Cheong Hee (Gmail)
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 20:26
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Using hardware based certificates


Hi Daniel

Appreciate feedback and help to keep the interest. IIRC someone asked similar subject before, but not much follow through. May be this is non WO related issue, however hopefully a generic framework for WO could be derived to as you suggested.

For past few years, I spent some thought to marry [browser + smartcard] together during smart card personalization. Should I say, personalization process is the core process in smart card implementation. If you know how the data being "written" securely into the card, reading will be at ease.
Else, challenging or challenging!!! If you heard about Datacard Affina or
Platform7 (nope... not the one in Transformers movie) SCLM, you know what i meant .


If I got it right, Travis is looking into a card that has been personalized with certificate. The first hurdle I thought Travis asking was the access to smart card / reader from browser. I supposed it could be done using some kind of variant Javascript , correct me if wrong. Once this is done, the rest will be pretty much with individual case of challenge-response. Did a quick google, Shibboleth is a single sign on server, curious if it provides
method to access smart card via browser. It is easier in .NET, but then it
limits the solution.


Cheers

Cheong Hee

Greetings Travis and Cheong,
True, those are good guides especially in the PKI lingo world. Although,
in his case there may be a simpler solution. Since he is working with
the Air Force, and I myself with the Navy I suggest that he and I
collaborate on this project and that he call me to set something up.


I have noticed the same thing in academia as well, thus we should
target a framework that handles this kind of thing for general public
use with as open standards as possible. Best example of such a standard I can think
of is Shibboleth out of Virginia Tech. Of course, Apple may be gunning
for something similar in its Mobile Access Server and either way it
would be nice to simply have a framework that just uses the service to
maximize the benefit for everyone.


Later,
Daniel Beatty
Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E.
Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 email@hidden
(760)939-7097


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