Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- From: Christian Trotobas <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:29:50 +0200
Just for the exercise of giving another point of view: my company does
not plan at all to drop WO. On the contrary, we are able to introduce
the framework to new customers in France for 3 years now, and we train
new WO developers every year.
For public institutions, it is true that they are pushing forward open
source technologies. But there are plenty of Websphere and Weblogic
out there, too. The true war, in my opinion, is not "private"
solutions against open source solutions, but Websphere or Weblogic or
MS or... against all the others, including open sources solutions and
WO. Not a new situation since big consulting companies have already
dropped WO for years and years. Good point, they are looking in the
Apple area again, thanks to the iPhone. Let's take it as an
opportunity, though I totally agree with the others posters that it
won't be easy at all.
Another comment: AFAIK, WO is supported by small dev companies only,
or to be more accurate: very small dev companies or indies. Not easy
to target the main companies or institutions with such a taxonomy. But
there are plenty of other market segments where WO meet the needs
perfectly. Fortunately, a lot of companies still care about return on
investment and time to market, or quick prototyping. And WO is pretty
good at that.
From my point of view, I can't see why an open source WO would
perform much much better on the market than the current "privately
hold" version. We would still face MS and Websphere and Weblogic and
jBoss and friends, not talking of Rails and other nice frameworks in
java or not.
What I expect is: people who argue today that they want to drop WO
because it is not opensource, they will argue tomorrow that it is not
a mainstream technology, that it is not that j2ee compliant or not
enough, that they is not enough developers, that Apple have released
it but that they are still behind the product, etc, etc, etc.
Therefore, what we would gain —the open source label— would be far
less than what we would loose —Apple management and commitment on the
long term.
The actual (only ?) point we should argue with Apple (again, my
personal point of view) : if Apple get so much from WO, they need
developers now and in the future, at least to be able to hire them to
enable their own growth. My guess is that they are deeply aware of
that fact. We wait for a concrete action from them and hopefully, a
marketing effort. The first and only step is to give confidence in the
future of the product, and among others, this is what a roadmap is
made for. Or a dedicated website. Or a killing JS framework. Or all of
them at once.
But in the meantime, please let's continue and advocate. For a few
years, and maybe for a while in the future, we are not only WO
developers and supporters, but also marketing people by need. Today,
nobody on Earth shares a better position than ours to advocate WO.
Sometimes, unfortunately, it comes to believing or not. If we don't,
who will ?
Christian
On 17 sept. 2009, at 11:01, Pascal Robert wrote:
I get reports from multiple people in France that are saying the
same thing. Based on those reports, it look like most WO devs in
France are/will drop WO in the next 12 months, and France was one of
the biggest WO "market" :-/
On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike Nowak wrote:
I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road
map or a deprecation date if any.
Yeah, me too
On the opposite, we are giving up on WO because our clients (French
public institutions) want open source solutions.
JPM
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