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Hi,
more than 12 hours later I decide to send my post again.
Jean-Pierre , I vote for your answer , loosing business ( 20 mililion of euros ) is a good indicator.
Think Different ...
Stephane Date : 18 septembre 2009 07:41:57 HAEC
Objet : Rép : WebObjects become opensource ?
My vote for the best post on this thread, even if reality may hurt some of us. ( Sorry Christian :-) )
To learn a technology nothing is better than reading the source, same thing for debugging ...but it's only a developper point of view.
For manager point of view, opensource means some kind of garantee for the future ..., even if sometimes it's a big joke, what Oracle will do with MySql ?
I still believe in WebObjects, because with WO you finish your project when J2ee guys are still thinking about architecture and patterns ... , Mister WO versus Mister J2ee ?
Opensource could mean bigger community, growing not shrinking ... why not imagine multiple language implementation ?
Objective-C, yes why not. But we can still look further, Scala, Groovy, Ruby , Python .... yes good ideas, we can still imagine Erlang, and C-sharp , Php ...., everybody needs somebody, and anybody is wellcome in the WO community.
I can't work for free for a company that has 30 B$ of cash in bank, not enough time and money, I needs money to pay iPods my children wants
Trust in me, tomorrow would be a better day is not a roadmap ... , sorry but I remember Steve mail we received when NeXT decide to stop the hardware.
Ray explane us that it's easier to help WO commnunity when being outside of Apple, very interesting, you looks like Mister PC inside, and Mister Mac outside ?
I'm a freelance developper, and words have meaning, I'm free, I don't care about my relation with insiders at Apple, open(source) and free are very similar ....
One more thing, I don't think there's any stupid guy on this list, Pascal sorry to hurt you, sorry to be so annoying, disturbing but we simply needs help from Apple.
Le 17 sept. 09 à 22:44, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit :
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We are talking about relatively big projects (at least for us more than 20 million of euros are a lot). These "markets" are more politically driven than technically driven. Our costumers want to "rule out" some big players (not for religious reasons, just because they noticed that bigger companies did not care about users), and the open source requirement is a way to acheive this. But then, this cannot be half-done.
Some of the solutions we propose are already written using WO. Our public costumers offer to repay us (you heard it: pay twice!) to rewrite them with purely open source libraries. This might seem crazy to you, and might not apply anywhere else in the world, by that is what happens here.
And please don't conclude that our client are irrational. Open source might cost them more at first than choosing highly discounted solutions from big companies, but in the end, it will be much cheaper than proprietary solutions.
JPM
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