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Today's Topics:
1. Mailing software (Anjo Krank)
2. Re: Mailing software (James Cicenia)
3. Re: Mailing software (Pascal Robert)
4. Re: Job Opportunities (Antonio Petri)
5. Re: Mailing software (Anjo Krank)
6. Re: Job Opportunities (Pascal Robert)
7. Re: Job Opportunities (Anjo Krank)
8. Re: Job Opportunities (Mike Schrag)
9. Re: Mailing software (James Cicenia)
10. Re: Mailing software (Anjo Krank)
11. Re: submit button errors on deployment (Kieran Kelleher)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:51:17 +0100
From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
Subject: Mailing software
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Hi,
has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with?
I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there...
Cheers, Anjo
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:03:53 -0600
From: James Cicenia <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mailing software
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i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon!
I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything
to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS.
Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed
with all their integrated cloud services.
Regards
James
On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
> Hi,
>
> has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with?
>
> I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there...
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:42:09 -0500
From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mailing software
To: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
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We evaluated MailChimp and it was working great in our evaluation. Before that, I had a Perl script that was sending individual emails, and I found out that I have to put a 5 seconds delay between each email sent or else some SMTP server would throttle delivery or even reject emails.
For non-personalized emails, I was using a mailing list in CommuniGate Pro, I found that by using a mailing list, delivery is done much faster, but you do loose personalization.
But no matter which solution you use, you make to make sure your email database is "clean" of outdated email addresses. For example, Bell Sympatico here will reject any new mails if they found that more than 10% of previous deliveries you did for a specific day was for non existent addresses.
> Hi,
>
> has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with?
>
> I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there...
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:47:35 +0000
From: Antonio Petri <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Job Opportunities
To: David den Boer <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects Dev <email@hidden>
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Sorry the silly question: have I missed the release of Gianduia? Is there a
"hackable" version somewhere?
On 11 February 2011 07:41, David den Boer <email@hidden> wrote:
> Good day all, and sorry to spam the list, but his might be useful to one or
> more of you (or you may know one or more people looking to work in Cupertino
> for Apple!)
>
> My team is looking for :
> Senior Software Engineer, responsible for WO and Spring/Hibernate
> applications in a client/server and HTML/JS environment. Preference given to
> those with Cocoa/UIKit experience.
>
> Senior Software Architect, responsible for architecture, mentoring,
> standards, tools, frameworks for WO and Spring/Hibernate
> applications. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience.
> Extensive JavaScript experience is a plus (ie. did you hack at Gianduia to
> get it working for yourself?)
>
>
> All job openings are local to Cupertino. Candidate must be willing to
> relocate, and legally work in US.
>
> If you are interested, please send me your resume -- I will get back to you
> asap.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> David den Boer | Manager, ��� Retail Engineering, IS&T | email@hidden
> | 408.974.9739
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:48:03 +0100
From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mailing software
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That one looks nice. Although I don't quite understand? Are they selling that as a service or what do you get?
>From the URLs it looks like ruby, can you customize it?
Cheers, Anjo
Am 11.02.2011 um 14:03 schrieb James Cicenia:
> i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon!
>
> I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything
> to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS.
>
> Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed
> with all their integrated cloud services.
>
> Regards
> James
>
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with?
>>
>> I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there...
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:49:16 -0500
From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Job Opportunities
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The only "hackable" version is the one that Apple use on their own Web site (Genius reservation system I think).
> Sorry the silly question: have I missed the release of Gianduia? Is there a "hackable" version somewhere?
>
> On 11 February 2011 07:41, David den Boer <email@hidden> wrote:
> Good day all, and sorry to spam the list, but his might be useful to one or more of you (or you may know one or more people looking to work in Cupertino for Apple!)
>
> My team is looking for :
> Senior Software Engineer, responsible for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications in a client/server and HTML/JS environment. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience.
>
> Senior Software Architect, responsible for architecture, mentoring, standards, tools, frameworks for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience. Extensive JavaScript experience is a plus (ie. did you hack at Gianduia to get it working for yourself?)
>
>
> All job openings are local to Cupertino. Candidate must be willing to relocate, and legally work in US.
>
> If you are interested, please send me your resume -- I will get back to you asap.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> David den Boer | Manager, ��� Retail Engineering, IS&T | email@hidden | 408.974.9739
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:50:27 +0100
From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Job Opportunities
To: WebObjects Dev <email@hidden>
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The trick is that you get the extra points if you tried grabbing it from - say - the Concierge page and de-minified and re-documented it so you could work with it while it is still unreleased.
A fools errand, of course :P
Cheers, Anjo
Am 11.02.2011 um 14:47 schrieb Antonio Petri:
> Sorry the silly question: have I missed the release of Gianduia? Is there a "hackable" version somewhere?
>
> On 11 February 2011 07:41, David den Boer <email@hidden> wrote:
> Good day all, and sorry to spam the list, but his might be useful to one or more of you (or you may know one or more people looking to work in Cupertino for Apple!)
>
> My team is looking for :
> Senior Software Engineer, responsible for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications in a client/server and HTML/JS environment. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience.
>
> Senior Software Architect, responsible for architecture, mentoring, standards, tools, frameworks for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience. Extensive JavaScript experience is a plus (ie. did you hack at Gianduia to get it working for yourself?)
>
>
> All job openings are local to Cupertino. Candidate must be willing to relocate, and legally work in US.
>
> If you are interested, please send me your resume -- I will get back to you asap.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> David den Boer | Manager, ��� Retail Engineering, IS&T | email@hidden | 408.974.9739
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:59:30 -0800
From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Job Opportunities
To: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects Dev <email@hidden>
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And the secret password for getting through David's interview is hidden inside the javascript!
ms
On Feb 11, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
> The trick is that you get the extra points if you tried grabbing it from - say - the Concierge page and de-minified and re-documented it so you could work with it while it is still unreleased.
>
> A fools errand, of course :P
>
> Cheers, Anjo
>
> Am 11.02.2011 um 14:47 schrieb Antonio Petri:
>
>> Sorry the silly question: have I missed the release of Gianduia? Is there a "hackable" version somewhere?
>>
>> On 11 February 2011 07:41, David den Boer <email@hidden> wrote:
>> Good day all, and sorry to spam the list, but his might be useful to one or more of you (or you may know one or more people looking to work in Cupertino for Apple!)
>>
>> My team is looking for :
>> Senior Software Engineer, responsible for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications in a client/server and HTML/JS environment. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience.
>>
>> Senior Software Architect, responsible for architecture, mentoring, standards, tools, frameworks for WO and Spring/Hibernate applications. Preference given to those with Cocoa/UIKit experience. Extensive JavaScript experience is a plus (ie. did you hack at Gianduia to get it working for yourself?)
>>
>>
>> All job openings are local to Cupertino. Candidate must be willing to relocate, and legally work in US.
>>
>> If you are interested, please send me your resume -- I will get back to you asap.
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> David den Boer | Manager, ��� Retail Engineering, IS&T | email@hidden | 408.974.9739
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:59:49 -0600
From: James Cicenia <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mailing software
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Octeth is using basic LAMP stack. You buy a license and can then do whatever you like with no other charges.
Amazon.. well.. I haven't made the move yet... but will.. so I really can't say when. Their pricing is very inexpensive
compared to some of the more traditional services... constantcontact, mailchimp, etc. And they have an API which
might make it really nice to integrate directly with WO.
Regards
James
On Feb 11, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
> That one looks nice. Although I don't quite understand? Are they selling that as a service or what do you get?
>
> From the URLs it looks like ruby, can you customize it?
>
> Cheers, Anjo
>
> Am 11.02.2011 um 14:03 schrieb James Cicenia:
>
>> i have been using a package from octeth.com but will now be moving to Amazon!
>>
>> I have to thank Apple for dropping the Xserves as that motivated me to move everything
>> to Amazon... well especially after my ISP was sold and they wanted to change my IPS.
>>
>> Now, I haven't made the email move to Amazon, but will, as I now am very impressed
>> with all their integrated cloud services.
>>
>> Regards
>> James
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> has anyone built direct marketing/personalized email software with WO (or used any reasonable package) that he'd like to share experiences with?
>>>
>>> I find my stuff is getting rejected probably due to the speed at which I sent mails out, but before I go around stumbling in the dark, it'd be great to hear people who have already been there...
>>>
>>> Cheers, Anjo _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:15:55 +0100
From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mailing software
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Mailchimp looks nice too and they have neat guides on their Site. But the per-customer or per-email fee will make it too expensive. And I'd first need to weed out our email accounts...
The suggestion to wait is good. Maybe I'll also sort on domains and the interleave them into a queue. This should maximize the amount of time spent.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 11.02.2011 um 14:42 schrieb Pascal Robert:
> We evaluated MailChimp and it was working great in our evaluation. Before that, I had a Perl script that was sending individual emails, and I found out that I have to put a 5 seconds delay between each email sent or else some SMTP server would throttle delivery or even reject emails.
>
> For non-personalized emails, I was using a mailing list in CommuniGate Pro, I found that by using a mailing list, delivery is done much faster, but you do loose personalization.
>
> But no matter which solution you use, you make to make sure your email database is "clean" of outdated email addresses. For example, Bell Sympatico here will reject any new mails if they found that more than 10% of previous deliveries you did for a specific day was for non existent addresses