Re: Finding WO people for startups
Re: Finding WO people for startups
- Subject: Re: Finding WO people for startups
- From: Philippe Rabier <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:06:02 +0200
Hi Marius,
I have several developers who were new at WO in 2 different companies. The main point is that they knew java.
All the problem talked by Pascal and other regarding documentation for example are important for a new developer that can not be trained/coached by another one. But that's not your case. For example, we hired a 10 years java skilled developer who used jdbc at low level (writing SQL code by hand) in their previous companies. Believe me that he found WO "magical". He was able to write code in less than a month. And i saw several other developers like him.
We have also a student for 6 month who comes from University where he learnt a lot of java and it was a matter of weeks.
If you are 2 WO developers, I would recommend you start alone because you will go faster (hiring people, training… takes time). If you need 10 developers, it's not a lean startup ;-)
When you have existing code (clean and with some pieces of java doc), it will help you to include new developers because it will be easy for you to explain, you will have include your own patterns, …
About RoR or other stuffs like PHP, if you don't know them, don't use them. You can't be fast and learn something new at the same time. If you know only COBOL, use COBOL. But if you want to consider something new, look at node.js. For me, and I'm not alone to think that: using the sane language on the client and server side is a key factor in productivity and all the team speak the same language.
Philippe
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On 24 sept. 2011, at 20:38, Marius Soutier <email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, I think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who know it at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by the two WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks by the way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and running very fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to hire more people?
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> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing to learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this?
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> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here the person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff.
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> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in startups nowadays.
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> Thanks for your insight!
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>
> - Marius
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