Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
- Subject: Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
- From: Matthew Ness <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:04:44 +1100
- Importance: Normal
>
> Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit :
>
>>>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the
>>>>> majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the
>>>>> community and the most voted issues will become the highest
>>>>> priorities."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will
>>>> continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in
>>>> Wonder.
>>>
>>> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to
>>> Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple⦠We don't have that
>>> sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we
>>> don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway,
>>> but that's another storyâ¦
>> Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder.
>> Almost all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating
>> their time, bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community.
>> Frankly, if Apple hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done
>> them anyway, because I just enjoyed making things.
>>
>> This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up
>> with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of
>> that, there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market
>> cost for this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand
>> dollars of time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on
>> top of encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going
>> to be paid crap, so why would anyone even bother?
>>
>> I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money.
>> They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't
>> care enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to
>> do X" or "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know
>> how to write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working
>> on WOLips, and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on
>> Wonder. I'm would wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the
>> same category. Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest
>> times in Wonder for me were always when one person contributing got
>> someone else energized to contribute and amazing things were made.
>>
>> The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're
>> just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying
>> the fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look
>> in the mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be
>> sad that it dies.
>
> I think reasons don't contribute are:
>
> 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to
> saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have
> everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible.
>
> 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I
> added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the
> community" talk at WOWODC.
>
> 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts.
> And I can't do anything about that.
>
> So I really don't know how we can improve the situationâ¦
Hi Pascal and list,
FWIW,
4) The inability to contribute additions to wonder because some people are
bound by their employer's concerns over ownership/licensing of
intellectual property.
Example, my 9-5 uses WO extensively, Wonder a little. I have some
frameworks which I think may be worthwhile additions to wonder, and have
verbal signoff to contribute one of them (if the community thinks it's
worthwhile of course!).
It can sometimes be a slow process. I was hoping to discuss this (process
and frameworks) with everyone at WOWODC.
I understand 4 does not necessarily obviate 1, 2, and 3.
Matt
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