Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
- Subject: Re: Most requested stuff on Google Moderator
- From: David Holt <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:23:40 -0700
Johan and Ken,
Love to help with D2W components where possible. I have several of my own now that ought to be added.
David
On 2012-03-29, at 10:16 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:
> It is not only the Problem that we won't share, but
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> Create Framework, changes everything in other Frameworks that have to , commit, done, Hero Mode.
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> Create Framework, changes everything that has to be changed test it. Use it. Would like to share
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> make first Patch to other Frameworks : wait , wait, wait, Fine
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> make next Patch : wait....
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> make next Patch but somebody says we don't need that....
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> Hmm now the Commit can't be done.
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> That's the big difference, and I really think it wan't get better.
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> Also Johan,
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> if we find a way to work together on your D2W Components I would love to. I also have about 30 Custom Components.
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> Ken
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> On 2012/03/29, at 6:57, Johan Henselmans wrote:
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>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>>> Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit :
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>>>>>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the community and the most voted issues will become the highest priorities."
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>>>>>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in Wonder.
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>>>>> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple… We don't have that sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway, but that's another story…
>>>> Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder. Almost all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating their time, bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community. Frankly, if Apple hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done them anyway, because I just enjoyed making things.
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>>>> This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of that, there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market cost for this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand dollars of time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on top of encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going to be paid crap, so why would anyone even bother?
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>>>> I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money. They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't care enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to do X" or "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know how to write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working on WOLips, and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on Wonder. I'm would wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the same category. Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest times in Wonder for me were always when one person contributing got someone else energized to contribute and amazing things were made.
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>>>> The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying the fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look in the mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be sad that it dies.
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>>> I think reasons don't contribute are:
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>>> 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible.
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>>> 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the community" talk at WOWODC.
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>>> 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts. And I can't do anything about that.
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>>> So I really don't know how we can improve the situation…
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>> There are two extra reasons that people do not contribute: the scale of the project is immense. It is really intimidating to have a look at the project and see what is available. This is not a place where people beginning to learn a framework would be happy with.
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>> Which leads me to another reason people do not contribute: people get stuck in a problem and there is no infrastructure to work together properly.
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>> I have started to build several things I would have liked to contribute to Wonder (some localized date-time D2W component and a print as pdf/excel D2W component) that i am sure with the help of some people would be fixed in half a day. Problem is that from where I am working, the nearest approachable WO-developer would be located in Germany, a few hundred miles away.
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>> I think an IRC channel, that once was setup, but never practically used, or some other 'live' channel that would be available at a specific time would get me a lot more productive in contributing stuff.
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>> On the other hand, I am a Casual WebObjects Developer, I spend a few hours/days a month tinkering with WebObjects projects, and sometime (like now) actually building some new stuff. That might also lead to my pitiful contributing situation. Sniff.
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>> Anyway, I think it might be a nice idea to have a place where one can find requests to improve Wonder, so that if there is interest, people can pool together to get something fixed or build. I think working side to side from experienced and less experienced people might lead to more contributions.
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>> For instance:
>> I would like to have/use/build a localized time/date component,
>> a GoogleMaps/OpenStreetMap component
>> and a proper introduction in how to use OpenId version 2 with Wonder.
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>> If anybody is interested in working with me (some experience, bot not into the deepest bowls of the frameworks), please let me know.
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>> Something like that.
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>> (Did I just start something?)
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>> Vriendelijke Groeten,
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