Re: Mountain Lion WO Deployment Package by WEBAPPZ
Re: Mountain Lion WO Deployment Package by WEBAPPZ
- Subject: Re: Mountain Lion WO Deployment Package by WEBAPPZ
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 16:11:23 -0400
Le 2012-10-05 à 16:06, Maik Musall <email@hidden> a écrit :
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Am 05.10.2012 um 21:48 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists <email@hidden>:
>> Thank you for your comments. Yes, being partially German myself, I am used to this tone of "constructive" criticism.
>
> Good :-)
>
>>> As Apple doesn't make serious server hardware any more, the primary deployment platform is probably not OS X but Linux by now. And I'd rather rely on the Linux distribution to give me a proper Apache/SSL/whatever compilation that is kept up to date by the distribution maintainers. Or did you make a whole package delivery system as well, to seemlessly deliver e.g. an OpenSSL update if a vulnerability is published in the version you initially packaged?
>>
>> This is a matter of opinion. We know many shops that deploy on the Mac Os X Platform and would never even consider Linux, but I do understand that there are those who prefer an open source platform.
>
> It's not primarily that. We also have a bunch of Xserves running here, but you can't buy them any more. Mac Pros take too much space in racks (and lack things like redundant power supply), and Mini servers simply aren't up to the task most of the time. And since you can't use OS X Server on other hardware, what choices does that leave us?
http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2012+Organization+Survey
Which platforms are used at your organization/department to DEPLOY WebObjects applications?
2012 2011 2010
Mac OS X Server 52% 59% 68%
Mac OS X "client" 13% 9% 19%
Yup, it's still the #1 platform for deployment according to the survey… It's going down, but it's still number one.
> And if, in your case, you bypass the whole software stack that ships with ML Server anyway, why bother?
>
>>> And regarding Frontbase, in your other post: who guarantees that frontbase.com isn't shut down tomorrow, your server dies the day after and there's nobody issueing a new license for your replacement hardware? Especially given the lack of activity around the product in recent years, I find it rather lightheaded to still rely on this RDBMS in production. And don't even get me started on the technical details...
>>>
>>> Maik
>> Well, sorry, but we like Frontbase! We have been running this database server since 2006 without any problems, and can configure it any way we like. If Frontbase were to ever shut down, it would be very easy to switch to another DB since our code is completely database transparent.
>
> Well, let's skip this discussion here before it gets dirty... Geert is probably still pissed at me from my arguments a few years ago with him anyway...
>
> Maik
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