Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source
Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source
- Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 05:26:09 -0500
> Le 2015-02-05 à 02:55, OC <email@hidden> a écrit :
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> On 5. 2. 2015, at 7:14, Troy Lumasag <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> What really are the problems - direct, impending or long term problems being as it is now?
>> I can recall these stated problems if I understood it correct:
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> 0. no ObjC support. To get at least a remotely similar productivity, I've successfully managed to use Groovy with WO, but still it is a royal PITA; whilst Groovy is worlds better than Java, it's still far from ObjC.
Use GNUWebStep if you want ObjC.
>> 1. porting issues(moving to future java versions)
>> 2. single-threaded editing context <- Must be a bottleneck problem for multiple instance setup?
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> 3. weird bugs the source of which it is quite difficult to find, without having an access to sources (or a support who has). I'm still rather anxious about the Case of Mysteriously Deleted EOs, see http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2014/Nov/msg00163.html
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>> Sorry if I'm being naive on my question haha
>>
>> --Troy
>>
>> On 2/5/2015 11:55 AM, Timothy Worman wrote:
>>> WebObjects is one of Apple’s weapons - it helps them be fluid and quick - especially with the devs they have. Maybe open sourcing WO seems threatening because it is a internal business advantage.
>>>
>>> Tim Worman
>>> UCLA GSE&IS
>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:59 PM, OC <email@hidden> wrote:
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>>>> On 5. 2. 2015, at 1:42, Hugi Thordarson <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> Apple cares about money, not us.
>>>> Oh, absolutely! Given the zilliards Apple charges for WebObjects licences... oh, wait.
>>>>
>>>> Actually I just don't get it -- for long long years I don't get it at all.
>>>>
>>>> (i) first, they seriously cripple the world's best web application framework by cutting out the ObjC support, leaving it Java-only, and thus half-unusable.
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>>>> (ii) then they stop bundling it.
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>>>> (iii) then they stop supporting it at all.
>>>>
>>>> All right, I can see after (i) they could hardly charge any money for licencing, whilst the support price would skyrocket; but why on earth not put it to open source at the same moment?!?
>>>>
>>>> The same company who is known to put _lots_ of pretty interesting things to public (see Darwin).
>>>>
>>>> Oh, sigh.
>>>>
>>>> About the only (dumb and conspirational) theory I can think of is that were the sources open, hacking App Store would get the usual 'varsity freaks pastime :)
>>>>
>>>>> - hugi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-open-source.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The github is here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s a shame Apple never did the same with WO.
>>>>>
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