Re: There was an old thread about Ajax...
Re: There was an old thread about Ajax...
- Subject: Re: There was an old thread about Ajax...
- From: Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400
The tough work has already been done by Ken on the TreasureBoat.
But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Paul
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Well, it’s a team job for sure.
>
> There’s tough programming in WO - components, frameworks, inheritance and
> trickery.
>
> There’s tough programming in javascript - not just implementation, but
> identifying the original designs and retrofitting something that seamlessly
> enhances Wonder projects simply by linking to the frameworks…serious wizardry.
>
> There’s tough programming in D2W, stuff that I was shocked to see! The
> trouble was not understanding any particular rule, although there were some
> (a lot?) that I was amazed by — but actually understanding the bigger picture
> of how they FIT these frameworks right into the Wonder stuff - link and
> unlink and magic comes and goes.
>
> So, if it were to be done, it would have to be US that does it!
>
> It’s a really hard task…
>
> I wish I had a suggestion, because I believe it is THAT important.
>
>
>
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Theodore Petrosky <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, and
>> then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her?
>>
>> I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also
>> add funds!
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev
>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now.
>>>
>>> I did however, conclude that we are all hosed!
>>>
>>> The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches
>>> or a tab panel that reloads like magic?
>>>
>>> These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply
>>> adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the group
>>> of them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long hierarchies
>>> of those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen arise over time.
>>> You just keep going into superviews and different WOD bindings until you
>>> are lost.
>>>
>>> I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related
>>> frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery to
>>> make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly.
>>>
>>> However, it IS possible to do!
>>>
>>> I wish I had a solution to this problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, you may use both frameworks, prototyps.js and jQuery if you use
>>>> jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the variable
>>>> $ as shortcut)
>>>>
>>>> We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as
>>>> prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element.
>>>>
>>>>> Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev
>>>>> <email@hidden>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer
>>>>> jQuery based stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are
>>>>> critical and you’ll not be able to work around them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed
>>>>> amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO
>>>>> folks will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us down.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m up
>>>>> for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev
>>>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax
>>>>>> from prototype to jquery as :
>>>>>> - prototype is out of date
>>>>>> - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a link to the work made by johnny miller
>>>>>> https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use :
>>>>>> - AjaxModaDialog
>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateContainer
>>>>>> - AjaxUpdateLink
>>>>>> - AjaxObserveField
>>>>>> - AjaxSubmitButton
>>>>>> - AjaxLongResponse
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you deal with Ajax ? Still use wonder with prototype ? Any new
>>>>>> idea ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jérémy
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>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>
>>>> René Bock
>>>>
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