Re: X11 article, for review (take 2)
Re: X11 article, for review (take 2)
- Subject: Re: X11 article, for review (take 2)
- From: Randy Ford <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:23:08 -0600
Sorry this reply is days late: I just found that I didn't send it.
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 07:02 PM, Rich Morin wrote:
At 2:46 PM -0600 3/31/03, Randy Ford wrote:
It really doesn't matter if X11.app is stopped and restarted, as long
as Terminal.app is kept running. All other Terminal instances
created from the app will inherit the environment with which
Terminal.app was started. Normally, X11.app will start with the same
DISPLAY, even if one is switching from one monitor to two, etc.
(This isn't necessarily the same with other X servers. With them, if
one has two monitors, it is likely that they will be configured with
different DISPLAYs. Since your article isn't addressing them, there
is no need to discuss them. A person set up that way will probably
understand how to deal with that.)
Hmmm. I had a peculiar problem show up in this regard. I started up
X11, did a "ssh -X cfcl", killed off and restarted X11, and then tried
to run an X command on cfcl. It complained and I had to exit and
restart the ssh session.
This sounds unrelated to the above. Ssh (the client) has to connect
and authenticate with the X server. Stopping the X server broke that
connection. It's not related to how DISPLAY got set. You didn't need
to exit Terminal, just to exit the ssh session and restart it.
This is a non-starter for me. Trying to convince xterm to act like
Terminal, including cut-and-paste, drag-and-drop, and scrollbars, is
not going to be easy, reliable, or robust in the face of Apple's new
versions of Terminal.
It's as easy as copying some lines into ones ~/.Xresources or
~/.Xdefaults. It's reliable and robust (from an xterm perspective)
because it doesn't rely on anything specific to Mac OS X--it will work
just as well on any machine running X11, including Linux, Solaris, HP,
etc. Of course, as you point out, Apple may change Terminal.
If someone just wants to run occasional X11
apps, they shouldn't have to buy into xterm in the process.
Agreed. I believe that is why Apple designed the "Applications" item
on the X11 menu. Given the massive amount of X11 software and the
variety of it, one who is using the shell often will probably also be
using X11 often. Similarly, one using ssh often, especially if they
are sending X11 programs back to their display, will probably either be
comfortable in the shell, or will just set up an item in the
Applications menu.
randy.
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