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Re: FW: What goes where?
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Re: FW: What goes where?


  • Subject: Re: FW: What goes where?
  • From: //aSaM// <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 04:00:56 +0200

Most of X is documented in the manual. Use "man X" as the starting point. While it doesn't give information about every file, it does about many. It gives pointers based on topics that will lead to the others.

The manual is terse, and not written to be entertaining. However, it is the best (and many times only) reference documenting Unix systems that most people have. The more times that people are referred to it, the more likely they are to read some and start understanding instead of just copying what other people write. Of course, we still need to give people answers to their questions, or they will just go away and never learn.

As a 'newbie' I'd like to add some things to this discussion. Although I'm not new to UNIX this is the first time I have root power and can explore the OS down any route my curiosity takes me. Even being a UNIX user it has been difficult for me on my own to find the right place to start finding the information for myself.


For example, only by reading here do I find out that to get the manual pages I was looking for I needed man X. I was trying man X11! Then I was searching though the directories of my installation and tried Xman. What the hell is this by the way and what does all that groff created stuff mean? Although everything in Xman is meaningless to me I really like the format. Is there a way I can make man pages appear with this kind of X interface?


<rant>
Now, the problem here caused by Apple: they have not created/updated the documentation about how they have modified the system for the beta. Of course, it is a beta!
</rant>

Hopefully by the time Apple releases the final version of X11 all the information about where to look for information like man X will be in the most obvious place a Mac user looks; in the Mac OS X Finder help menu and using the Help Viewer application.



Maybe examples of basic tschrc, bashrc, profile, etc. would be useful as well as starting points for customizing our systems.


I'd like Apple to stick in some short Quicktime video tutorials and maybe short lectures (VTC style but within the Help Viewer files) to describe all the basics about UNIX like what each shell is useful for and what the main differences are.


Learning the shell well will also lead to understanding the rest of Unix. A path through learning an using the shell will lead to learning about the file system, basic security, process creation and completion, signals, and streams. This is a good start along the path to grok Unix and ultimate happiness.

That's assuming every Mac user wants to be a full time UNIX admin. The reason most of use Macs in the first place is because we don't really want to geek out too much but just want to get on with productive and creative stuff. We just want to get on with using the UNIX applications but we have to get them all installed ourselves not like before when we just used to email the admin and tell him what we wanted to use. You're speaking as a UNIX user not as a Mac OS X user, they are not the same thing, a Mac OS X user does not spend all day reading manual pages to do basic things like learning about security to set up a fire wall, they just go to the preferences and press a button. Is this not what Mac OS X is about ;)



I would also caution about beginning too early to customize the system. Many here who want customizations only want them because they've grown used to other systems working that way. (I can't count the number of times I've seen customizations to make the shell look more like MS-DOS. It reminds me of people using #defines in C to make it look like Pascal.) If you don't require a change to the default, try it for a while. Then you'll have some basis for making a decision.

Again you are speaking as a UNIX user. If we wanted a standard look we would be using Windoze but the reason we use Mac is because it has always been the OS for the ultimate customizers and we want our OS to be as different as we are :)



While many (myself included <grin />) think that Apple doesn't give enough configurations to OS X, most will agree that Unix, including X11, gives more than enough options for even the most sophisticated user to shoot themselves in both feet. Most of the defaults, however, make sense. Keep in mind that you hear on this list from people who want to change the default behaviors, but you don't here from the rest who like them like they are.

What is the point of Mac OS X then?

Respect to all the super roots users out there and their knowledge,

but hey,

Think Different <grin / oi oi  / :)~>

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