Re: Sorry keyboard problems
Re: Sorry keyboard problems
- Subject: Re: Sorry keyboard problems
- From: Artemio Gonzalez Lopez <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:37:33 +0100
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 05:09 PM, Andreas Fink wrote:
On Samstag, Januar 11, 2003, at 10:57 Uhr, Artemio Gonzalez Lopez
wrote:
On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Andreas Fink wrote:
the xterm is really not very useful.
1) macintosh copy & paste doesnt work (standard terminal is much
better
in this respect) so if you are used to use cmd-c / cmd-v be happy
that
you can now retype everything manualy now :-(.
Copy and paste in xterm work in exactly the way they are supposed to
do in X apps, and text copied in an xterm window can be pasted
in native apps with cmd-v (see the FAQ for more details).
But this is not standard X, this is Aqua and it will be used by
Macintosh users who have never used X before.
Having a menu saying "Paste" which is not active is VERY confusing.
As far as the FAQ goes, there are NONE. Or at least I was not able to
find them as many others seem.
2) trying to set the keyboard (which is US by default, even macOS X
is
set to swiss german) results in a bus error:
bash-2.05a$ setxkbmap -layout ch_DE
Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
Use defaults: rules - 'xfree86' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us'
Bus error
bash-2.05a$
True, but the FAQ mentions an easy workaround that works
with most international keyboards. It is also possible to solve
this problem by writing an appropriate .xmodmap file and
adding "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" in your .xinitrc file
(see numerous posts in this list; I'm using a Spanish .xmodmap
myself).
There's no archive or FAQ to search so how should I find this?
The FAQ appeared in Vol. 1 #16, message 4, of the digests. It
has also been posted in macosxhints.com's UNIX forum:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/
showthread.php?s=9ac2cb4542d4c509aa23ef682e980bff&threadid=8446&highligh
t=x11+faq
Similar workarounds for the keyboard mapping problems have been posted
by many users in this list.
So basically no non-US guy can use this software.
Not really Apple like. What's wrong here?
I for one have a Spanish ISO keyboard, and I'm using it with xterm
without
any problems whatsoever. IMHO, X11 has glitches, but it's far from
unusable, even for
users with international keyboards.
Well if you are used to swiss german keyboard and you have to type in
US keyboard, I can tell you it is definitively unusable as often used
items like | or ~ or / or & can not be found anymore. A simple
preferences settings, is what one would expect from a Apple software.
Otherwhise we could simply remove aqua and run X directly. The whole
goal to bring X on to the MacOS X is to give MacOS users the power of X
applications while retaining the ease of use of MacOS. otherwise they
should buy a Linux box or a Sun.
I agree with you that X11 is not a polished product, and that the
keyboard
issue should be solved in the final release in a more user friendly
way. However,
the problem is easily fixed by one of the workarounds mentioned in this
list, and to call X11 "unusable" for users with international keyboards
is IMHO
unfair.
Artemio Gonzalez-Lopez
e-mail: email@hidden
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