Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
- Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
- From: Christopher Jones <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:51:33 +0100
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 7:21 pm, Mick Mueck <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> I just took a look at the X.org <http://x.org/> site referenced in a reply
> below. Chris Jones said:
>> The X.Org
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>> related ports are indeed more up to date there
>>
>
> I went to the downloads mirror and it looks like the most recent thing
> downloadable is even older than XQuartz (unless I'm missing something):
>
>
> <https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/>https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/
> <https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/>
That has nothing to do with MacPorts.
>
> I'll happily use whatever is newer that's out there, but even in the really
> old stuff I came across I didn't see any simple installer. While I might
> flatter myself a little and say I'm a techie, it looked like the X.org
> <http://x.org/> stuff wasn't going to be easy to install. I'm looking for
> pretty much the same sort of thing that XQuartz provides and I'd be thrilled
> if that came with Mac-style windows that could be resized on all sides.
> Sadly, I'm just a user (not a developer)...
>
> I just don't know what I'm going to do when some future OS X update renders
> XQuartz broken.
Go to
https://www.macports.org <https://www.macports.org/>
and then follow the instructions to install MacPorts.
Once done, you install the X11 server it provides with (in a terminal)
> sudo port install xorg-server
Chris
> Regards,
>
> Mick
>
>
>
>> On 2018.0831, at 14:03, Cheng-Yang Tan <email@hidden
>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>>
>> If I run the xorg-server from macports, then
>> Do I still have to start Xquartz?
>> Does xorg-server have a window manager?
>> Are there any instructions on how to run xorg-server? (I don't know where
>> .xinitrc is on my Mac but are there any .x* files that need to be changed?)
>> Thanks!
>>
>> cytan
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 31, 2018, 12:10:41 PM CDT, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed)
>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server".
>>
>>
>> Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into a
>> question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to answer: Is
>> it possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X from MacPorts?
>> mesa 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo (from macports) says
>> it's only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- Steve
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones"
>> <x11-users-bounces+stephen.langer=email@hidden
>> <mailto:x11-users-bounces+stephen.langer=email@hidden> on behalf
>> of email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David <email@hidden
>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts.
>>
>> does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz?
>>
>>
>> I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a couple
>> times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was considering stopping
>> XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the MacPorts versions as the
>> primary distribution means.
>>
>>
>> I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org
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>> related ports are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed
>> as the primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties
>> (myself included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of things
>> ongoing right now looking to update a few X.Org
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>> components. This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone
>> who wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts. X11 is certainly not
>> dead in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look to
>> migrating to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is xors-server).
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, email@hidden
>> <mailto:email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> 4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain)
>>
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200
>> From: Filhol Alain <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>> To: email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>
>> Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
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>> Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017.
>> I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS.
>>
>>
>> [AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much slower
>> than with Linux).
>>
>> [JHS] <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>> There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer versions of
>> macOS (maybe Mavericks+, maybe ElCap+, I forget exactly). The issue is
>> below us in CoreGraphics and won't really be fixed on Apple's side as doing
>> so would fix this case but cause bad performance penalties for every single
>> other case out there. The real solution is to get XQuartz off of libXplugin
>> and start using more modern macOS APIs (eg: finishing up libxcwm), but
>> there's not really anyone actively working on that right now.
>>
>> [AF] Are you the only one involved in XQuartz developments ?
>>
>> [JHS] Yes, and I spend significantly less than 1% of my time on it ...
>> barely enough to just pull in upstream changes, build, and ship.
>>
>> [AF] [...] but people are reluctant in using them on Macintoshes because of
>> that problem of slowness.
>>
>> [JHS] If you're interested in working on the replacement, I can point you in
>> the right direction. It's maybe 60% done ... all by a group of college
>> seniors at PSU.
>>
>> --Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
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