Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- From: "Gunning, James \(Energy, Clayton North\) via X11-users" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:44:19 +0000
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- Thread-topic: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
All,
A hack google translate is:
X.Org, the free implementation of the X11 windowing system will soon enter
"maintenance mode". Driven by Red Hat, the Gnome desktop environment ditched
X.Org in favor of Wayland, which is set to become the primary display server
for GNU / Linux distributions. "Once we're done," says director of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Desktop, "we plan to put X.Org into maintenance mode
soon enough."
This decision
will affect macOS, which supports X.Org through the XQuartz project. This
framework contributed to the success of Mac OS X: by making the link between
X11 and Quartz, it also made the link between the open source world and that of
Apple, and established Mac OS X against such a powerful UNIX system. than
familiar. Many scientific applications, the Gimp editor, or the Wine
compatibility layer, used XQuartz to run on Mac.
From Mac OS X Jaguar to Mac OS X Tiger, XQuartz used the free XFree86
implementation, before switching to X.Org in Mac OS X Leopard. From OS X
Mountain Lion, however, XQuartz is no longer integrated into the system, but
must now be downloaded separately. If it is still maintained, it is based on
old technologies that are expected to disappear more or less quickly, and does
not support Retina displays.
"X.Org is mainly maintained by [Red Hat]," says Christian Schaller, "It is
unlikely that a major new version will be released once we are no longer paying
attention. ". "We will keep an eye on it [...] at least until the end of RHEL
8's life [Editor's note: in 2029]," added the director of RHEL Desktop, while
inviting GNU / Linux developers to switch to Wayland.
What will it change on Mac? Probably not much. A few apps still request
XQuartz, but Gimp and Wine have abandoned it for years. By abandoning X11 and
XQuartz to better focus on its own technologies, Apple has made it easier to
adapt. Unless there is a surprise, XQuartz should bow out at the same time as
X.Org.
James Gunning
CSIRO
Clayton, Vic., Australia
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Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2020 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
G'Day Alain,
Is there an English version of that website? I've just assumed for years now
that X11 is either effectively abandoned or on below-minimum life support. So
sad...
Regards,
Mick
On 2020.0104, at 19:40, Filhol Alain via X11-users
<email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
I thought it might be a good time to ask whether there will ever be an update
for XQuartz? (I really hope so!)
Here the answer:
<https://www.macg.co/macos/2019/07/xorg-bientot-abandonne-et-avec-lui-x11-sur-mac-106945>
Alain
On 5 Jan 2020, at 00:30, Ward, Mark Daniel via X11-users
<email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
I use XQuartz 2.7.11 daily too, now with Catalina... but I worry that it
hasn't been updated since 2016.
Since there has been a flurry of emails on this email list in the last
few days, I thought it might be a good time to ask whether there will
ever be an update for XQuartz? (I really hope so!)
Warmest regards,
Mark Daniel Ward, Ph.D.
Director of The Data Mine
Purdue University
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West Lafayette, IN 47906-4206
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phone: (765) 496-9563
Professor of Statistics and
(by courtesy) of Mathematics
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On 1/4/20 4:51 PM, Tom Lane via X11-users wrote:
JF Mezei via X11-users <email@hidden> writes:
I am running the "Apple suppoted" older version on High Sierrs
XQuartz 2.7.11 (xorg-server 1.18.4)
Yeah, that one still works pretty well for me on Catalina.
I am using a slightly modified X11 server with it too, to fix
the focus problems that were such a hassle a few years ago.
Beyond having to reinstall that stuff after any OS upgrade,
it hasn't broken yet.
Apart from a few hiccups here and there, it works. For instance, after
I turn the TV on or off and the Mac insists on flashing the screens
multiple times, the Xterm windows always end up on top.
Yeah, I do notice the X11 windows forcing themselves to front in
certain circumstances, but it's not been a huge problem for me.
Lots of things don't really work well
1) I have to run /opt/local/bin/Xquartz manually from a terminal, then start
quartz-wm from the
xterm it fires up.
Hm, nope, clicking the XQuartz dock icon works fine for me.
regards, tom lane
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