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Re: APPLE GUYS: Do you want Shark profiles of XCode when it hangs?
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Re: APPLE GUYS: Do you want Shark profiles of XCode when it hangs?


  • Subject: Re: APPLE GUYS: Do you want Shark profiles of XCode when it hangs?
  • From: Scott Tooker <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:54:35 -0800

I'll just point out that filing a bug with a sample and the best description you can provide of what you are doing is a fine bug to file. It's great if you can provide explicit instructions to reproduce it, but the important part is filing a bug with a sample or Shark profile.

Scott

On Nov 30, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Karan, Cem (Civ, ARL/CISD) wrote:


Yes, exactly! You're right that there are bodies of code this won't
work for (time sensitive, drivers, etc.) but for a very large body of
code this isn't a problem. Take XCode; I can periodically cause it to
hang. Telling the development team "Well, I hit the compile button, and
then the cursor started to spin; I went for coffee and lunch, came back
and it was doing the same thing so I force quit it" really isn't much
help. Ideally, we could hand them a test project + a script that is
timed + information on our hardware configuration. The script can be
run on similar hardware on the test project, and, because of the timing
information, you will tend to get similar results (OK, OK, its
multithreaded, and we can't force the threads to switch at the times we
want, but its better than nothing)


Ideally, we'd have a trace that could be as fine grained as we want:
apple events, apple events + functions called, apple events + functions
called + individual instructions. I know that I can get the individual
instructions using amber, and then I think I can run that through simg4
or simg5, but that requires me to put in CHUD instructions around areas
I think that are problematic and it produces HUGE amounts of output. It
would be much better to have a continuous FIFO trace, with a snapshot
taken when something 'bad' has happened that I can then figure out for
apple events, etc.


Oh well, I'm probably asking for too much...

Cem

-----Original Message-----
From: James Milne [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:37 PM
To: Karan, Cem (Civ, ARL/CISD)
Cc: j o a r; Xcode Users
Subject: RE: APPLE GUYS: Do you want Shark profiles of XCode
when it hangs?

I know exactly what you mean; basically, you want to record
the whole input
stream: what keys the user pressed, what movements the user
made with the mouse, where they clicked, etc.

Assuming you ran the input stream back again on a machine
configured similarly to the person who generated the stream
(ie- same display dimensions, ergo buttons in the same
position) you should end up having the same code running.

This would be true if the application wasn't time-sensitive.
If the code of your application makes any decisions based on
the current time of the machine, then you are guaranteed to
diverge from the state of the user's machine when replaying
the input stream, since you have no way of controlling what
the application thinks the current time is when it is
replaying the file.

We use similar techniques in games development, but we have
control over recording the whole input stream (button
presses, network packets, etc.) and the current time for the
simulation, which we can use to override the usual mechanisms
for calculating such.

On MacOS Classic, there used to be tools for stress-testing
and QA that could run scripts of user interface actions; ie
typing, mouse clicks, etc. Not sure if there is anything
equivalent for Mac OS X.

--
James Milne

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