Re: Carbon with UNIX
Re: Carbon with UNIX
- Subject: Re: Carbon with UNIX
- From: Andy Lee <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:50:06 -0500
On Jan 16, 2005, at 2:16 PM, David Dunham wrote:
Sebastien
In the case of XCode: unstable and slow software is a weakness, and I
have to deal
with it every day of my work life :).
I know this is the Xcode list, but why? I use CodeWarrior for most of
my work life (there was some open source that I couldn't get to build
so I used Xcode for one project -- and I always use its API lookup).
Its compiler is a LOT faster than gcc. (I'm pretty sure that ZeroLink
beats the CodeWarrior linker, however.) It's quite likely you don't
have to deal with Xcode if you don't want to.
I'd rather use either one than Visual Studio, however (which I am
quite familiar with). Only in a few debugger features does VS win.
One thing I haven't seen pointed out is that Xcode is free. Not only
is it free for the taking from the ADC site, they give you a copy with
every Mac. Would it be safe to say Xcode beats every free Windows IDE
hands down? Come to think of it, what do Windows hobbyists and
shareware developers use to develop their apps -- is there some
inexpensive tool I don't know about? Even REALbasic is not what I
would call cheap. I think it would be very, very interesting if
Microsoft were to start bundling Visual Studio with every copy of its
OS.
True, the ubiquity of Xcode (not to mention general principle, and the
fact that they use it themselves) is all the more reason Apple should
make it as good as possible. But then, that is exactly what they're
trying to do.
Can anyone from Apple say how much they do use Xcode internally? I
would assume they do at least for their iApps -- yes? No? And do they
use plain out-of-the-box Xcode, or do they have special internal
versions or hacks? Given CodeWarrior's strengths, I wonder if it's
used for any development at Apple. Nothing necessarily wrong with that
if it's the right tool for the job.
I'd like to give CodeWarrior another try (it's been years since I
looked at it), but they don't seem to have an evaluation version any
more. At least not on their website, which I find confusing, not to
mention annoying in that it just gave me an Active Server Pages error,
with a link to Microsoft support for more information. The site did
succeed in informing me, though, that "90 percent of commercial Mac
apps are built with CodeWarrior tools," though it doesn't elaborate.
Maybe I can find an old evaluation CD and remind myself why I didn't
like CW -- maybe it was just the price. Ah, for the good old days of
THINK C and Turbo Pascal, or even CodeWarrior when it was just, what, a
hundred bucks?
--Andy
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