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Re: [REPOST] Data Modeler/Core Data
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Re: [REPOST] Data Modeler/Core Data


  • Subject: Re: [REPOST] Data Modeler/Core Data
  • From: email@hidden
  • Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:04 -0800

Cem Karan wrote:

Apologies to those who saw this before and decided to ignore it; I never got any comments earlier, and was hoping to get some...

I've been fiddling with the Data Modeler in XCode 2.2.1, and I've run into these problems and wanted to get other's comments on them.

1) When I specify an Integer 64 as an attribute, and try to set its max/min/default values to anything outside what an Integer 32 can hold, the modeler automatically clamps down to the range [-2**32, 2**32). This is a bug, and I need to file it (or so I think). Comments?
Perhaps just leaving it blank for the max integer would suffice, since of course it wouldn't be able to go any higher at runtime anyways.

2) I have yet to find a way to group parts of the graph together; that is, my graph is getting VERY crowded, and it would be nice to abstract a subset of the model in a group, just so I can see the forest and the trees at the same time.
Yes, this is a mis-feature IMO. Please file a bug. I have filed one on this. And actually, it goes a little deeper because what happening is that even in-code data models cant link two entities properly via sub-super entities. IOW, if you have two models (as I have) and want to link them together by specifying a parent entity, it can't work because parent properties are not propagated. If you simply want to break the view up though, not link them as sub entity, I would suggest still to file an enhancement report.

As an aside, it may be a good idea if your model is getting very complicated to re-think it and pare it down to be more manageable. I'm not saying I know your requirements, so pelase forgive me if I'm out of place. One thing I did was create a single entity, then a "type" entity that is a to-one. So instead of having say, an employee entity, a supervisor entity, an a manager entity, just one "employee" entity, and thier "type" designates their role. I've been able to pare down my models by 70% using this technique and also inheritance. If the model is too complicated, its gonna hurt down the line and also complicates backward compatibility... JMHO.

3) Is it possible to create limits within the model based on other items within the model? E.g., I have two attributes, minNumItems and maxNumItems. I want to be able to specify that maxNumItems >= minNumItems within the model. I know that I can write code that will do this, I was just wondering if it is possible to do within the modeler.
I don't think so. I plan to file an enhancement request for this as well. Please also file an enhancement request.

4) The only way I've been able to think of for specifying enumerations is to have an abstract entity that all of the concrete entities declare as their parent; entities that need to use the enumeration specify that they expect an entity of the abstract type. Is this the best way of doing things in the modeler?
Can you give an example what you mean by enumerator? I'm not sure I understand...

Finally, I have a couple of questions that would probably be better answered on the Cocoa-dev list, but I'd rather not split this post up.

5) What is the upper limit to the number of elements that an element can own? I.e., when I specify a 'to-many' relationship, at what point will CoreData break when I add one more element? What is the upper limit on the size of the store? I'm being deliberately vague in that I don't want to find that the SQL store can handle huge amounts of data, but that the binary or XML versions can't.
I would think that uint_32 would be the upper limit until everything is 64-bit. Though I may be mistaken.

6) I noticed that CoreData can handle multiple threads (although I haven't explored that aspect yet). Can it be distributed? That is, if I create a cluster of machines, do I end up with a bottleneck because the only way to distribute the data is via NSProxy, or does CoreData have a truly intelligent way of replicating data such that the whole cluster looks like it has one large backing store? If it does have this ability, what about security? That is, do I have to figure out how to setup a VPN, use digital certificates, etc., or is there something in CoreData that will take care of it for me?
So, coredata does not handle any of that AFAIK. This is really Enterprise Objects territory. I think this stuff is also "enhancement report" bound. I myself am hoping (and requesting for) the very things you are looking for.

While Coredata is very powerful for how easy it is to use, there are still some holes to be filled. I do really look forward to Core Data 2.0!


Thanks,
Cem Karan
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