Re: Spoiled by Java IDEs
Re: Spoiled by Java IDEs
- Subject: Re: Spoiled by Java IDEs
- From: Jean-Daniel Dupas <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:04:55 +0200
Le 20 juil. 08 à 04:07, email@hidden a écrit :
On Jul 19, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Greg Guerin wrote:
Graham Perks wrote:
Ken, agreed, of course. In Eclipse this might be implemented as
right-click on the method name, and the resulting popup offering
an "Add to Interface" menu. That would be useful in Xcode too,
saving you the time of switching to the .h and a bunch of
keystrokes to copy/paste. The point is to let you keep coding
right where you are, and not have to stop and scroll to the top of
a method or off to another file.
Some of these things strike me as entirely scriptable.
For example, if the selection contains a message selector and args,
a script called "Add to Interface" would do exactly that. Other
things like expanding ivars to accessors also seem scriptable.
In the spirit of turning lemons into lemonade...
Shift-Down Arrow to select the line, copy, Command-Shift-Up Arrow to
jump to the counter part, paste, Command-Shift-Up Arrow to jump back
to where you started.
Admittedly, not as easy as "Add to Interface", but that would
probably save me a minute per month.
Some IDE's have a built-in feature that either adds or removes //'s
in front of every line of the current selection.
Command - /. It's in the menus as Scripts -> Comments -> Un/Comment
Selection
Another common feature is to search docs or the web for the current
selection.
Option - double-click to search docs. Command-double-click to find
the definition in the header. Scripts -> Search -> Search Google
For Selection. You can assign a keystroke, if you prefer.
Xcode doesn't have builtins for either of these: each one is a
script in the scripts menu (the scroll-like icon next to Help).
Would that offer any advantage (serious question)?
I admit I'm not familiar with Java/Eclipse, but in defense of Xcode,
it has a daunting task to be a jack-of-all-trades. I have projects
that mix C, C++, Objective-C, Objective-C++, and assembly. I have
projects that build kernel extensions, command-line tools, and GUI
apps. I have projects that build make/autoconf-based libraries, run
flex/bison compilers, run custom shell scripts, compile Apple Help,
build Header Doc documentation, run unit tests, and more. Can
Eclipse really handle all that with aplomb?
Eclipse is design for Java (even if there is some extension for C/C++)
and so it can do everything a Java project need. Run Unit Test, create
java command line tools, java GUI app, build server side app (java
bean, jsp servlet, …). It is based on the 'ant' build system that is
very flexible and powerfull and can probably be used to do all the
things you mention (running shell scripts, build javadoc, build
autoconf, automake projects).
The difference here, is more about refactoring capabilities. Java is
static typed, does not have something like categories, and other
features that make it easier to index and refactor.
Don't get me wrong, I don't wish to start a flame-war. There are
some interesting features that will be enabled by LLVM, and I
appreciate the specific suggestions, because certainly there is room
for Xcode to improve. But, it's also clear that some of the
complaints, here and in other threads, stem from a lack of
familiarity with the IDE/languages/frameworks, etc. Maybe
VisualStudio or Eclipse transition guides and FAQs would help
newcomers make the most of the environment .
Just a details, that's not LLVM that will bring refactor support,
better indexation (and more) to Xcode, but clang, the C/C++/Obj-C
compiler based on LLVM.
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