Re: Xcode 4.2 - compliments for C++ development -- and some wonders
Re: Xcode 4.2 - compliments for C++ development -- and some wonders
- Subject: Re: Xcode 4.2 - compliments for C++ development -- and some wonders
- From: Ruslan Zasukhin <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:55:29 +0200
- Thread-topic: Xcode 4.2 - compliments for C++ development -- and some wonders
On 12/3/11 8:47 AM, "Joar Wingfors" <email@hidden> wrote:
Hi Joar,
I have check google to see you are from Apple :)
> Hello again Ruslan,
> Thanks for your feedback!
Thank you for listening!
I will be happy collaborate with you if that's okay in nearest weeks to
provide more feedback. Or may be do bug reports...
We all want xcode be best of the best!
I personally very want, because I am tithed to hear from our Windows guys,
Xcode cannot do this or that (auto-completion glitches v3.x, debugger) ...
Although even they for years told, IDE itself looks ideal.
If some points better discuss off list - please let me know.
> On 2 dec 2011, at 15:05, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
>
>> 1) Indexing ...
>>
>> I think one of painful places yet. Too RAM hungry.
>> And yet too slow comparing to e.g. Visual or Visual Assist.
>> Or QT Creator -- our guy say it was able in ONE second parse folder
>> of Valentina Studio sources... Wow.
>>
>> On Modern macbook quad-i7 our project 4500-5000 files index about 5 minutes.
>> On mac mini core duo 2 around 1 hours.
>
>
> I wouldn't argue that we're perfect when it comes to indexing performance, but
> I also don't think that it's possible to parse and persist the information in
> 5000 C++ source files in one second...
No no.
5000 files, this is our files from few project
Vstudio -> vkernel -> vshared - vclient - vreport
and system files and e.g. WX
But QT did load much less, only folder of vstudio ...
But that still was very fast ...
Again, this is words of our engineer. He told - I could not believe they
really do that but not lie... I have start test symbols and all right.
May be this is subjective point of view.
Os lets forget for now about that Creator.
At least you must be able see also
A) RAM is not very good cleaned after indexing. We need quite xcode to make
things better.
B) few crashes was right after indexing.
>> 1-a) BTW, couple of times I have to see that jump says "Symbols not found".
>
>
> Do you see this only before the index has been created / while it's being
> updated, or also when the index should be complete? If you can figure out a
> pattern to this issue, please file a bug report.
Indexing was done. Since on my quad-i7 it takes only few minutes, I always
give it time ...
Yes I will try watch, make snapshoots of symbol itself, and header where it
was defined.
>> 1-b) I still miss for Visual Assist (or Visual itself) tooltips when I point
>> mouse to some macro or symbol. In xcode I must jump to see how this macro
>> looks. Then jump back. In Visual just point mouse, wait a moment and nice
>> tooltip. Please consider such feature also for xcode.
>
>
> For any suggestions to improvements that you could think of, please file bug
> reports:
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/>
ok
>> 2) Schemas ...
>>
>> Idea itself is good made ... Just not clear to me, why we see schemas also
>> from sub-projects?
> The idea with showing schemes from referenced projects is that you may want to
> get access to them without having to open the referenced projects separately.
> This is perhaps most obvious for projects that are referenced from a
> workspace, but I think that the idea holds up in general. You can use the
> scheme management sheet to configure which schemes that you want to see in
> your project / workspace.
Yes, we set OFF visibility. This is clear.
>From point of view of workspaces, yes may be there is sense here.
Workspace actually do not introduce own schemas I think ...
We just have no time yet switch to them, and not sure we need switch.
>> 3) Shared Schemas ...
>>
>> Thanks to list, we was pointed that shared schemas can be used for SVN.
>> Good.
>>
>> But as I see, order of schemas in the menu still stored under username.
>> why? I think if I prepare project, order schemas in some logical way,
>> commit to SVN, then all other developers of team should get this result
>> of my job. But order of schemas is not preserved ...
>
>
> That sounds like another good enhancement request to file. (It will probably
> end up being a dupe, but please file it anyway to express your interest in
> such a feature).
ok
>> 4) LLDB just not works for our projects ... Compiled with LLVM 3.0
>>
>> it stops on some breakpoint, then STEP or CONTINUE show some assembler,
>> some info about crash, and always near to _start symbol ...
>> It is enough switch to GDB and no any crashes, it just works ...
>>
>> Anybody else have see such problem? LLDB yet beta or should really work?
>
>
> LLDB is still a young product... If you run into issues that you can't work
> around, please file a bug report and fall back to GDB. We are firmly committed
> to making LLDB the best debugger for Mac and iOS development, and we
> appreciate you feedback and input.
Ok, but here max I can do snapshoot of this assembler window..
--
Best regards,
Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com
[I feel the need: the need for speed]
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