Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
- Subject: Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
- From: Andrew Satori <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:16:43 -0500
You know, I find this comical to read. No Xcode is not perfect. Yes it has issues, but here is the thing, I prefer IDE development, and I have used a bunch over the years. Let us call a spade a spade. They all suck in new and glorious ways. Xcode is has some really great features, along with some really silly bugs. Most of the bugs have workarounds, but a few are truly annoying. The problem is, so do most of the other options. You mention VS specifically.
Visual Studio is a nice tool, but then again, the C++ tool chain has not changed in any significant manner in over 7 years, and has in many ways regressed from the Vs6 days. visual Studio is a good tool for .net development, particularly in the c# world. For C++ it is a mediocre tool, at best, and is handicapped by inconsistent behaviors of the underlying frameworks. Like Xcode, it is not perfect, I crashed it three times today working with cross platform STL code.
But look deeper. What about other tools, like Delphi, or RealStudio., or even the open source MonoDevelop. Delphi is probably more like Xcode in terms of what it does with it's integrated UI tools, and it's robust underlying framework(s). With current versions, you can target windows or OS x with the same code base. It works, but I crash it multiple times a day as well.
RealStudio is another one, cross platform, robust library. Compares well to Visual basic 6 circa 2002.
MonoDevelop? Great tool, nice workable tool chain. Kicks off much of visual studio, it crashes often and strangely.
But here is the thing, Xcode and Visual Studio are platform specific, the others are not. At least Xcode can be, and it is very flexible. It is moving forward, and there are some bits that have surpassed vs.net, others it lags behind.
Ultimately though, you will never convince people that are comfortable in one platform that another is better. Witness the vim/emacs wars. Use the tool that works for you, and grasp that Xcode and Visual Studio do not play well together. The dialect of c++ that Vs devs use is laced with incompatible macros that do not play well with other platforms. It takes work and discipline to make them play well together.
Andy 'Dru' Satori - all typos courtesy of fat finger and an iPad
On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Thomas CLEMENT <email@hidden> wrote:
>> What is it called in software development when you're introducing bugs faster than you're fixing them? Because this is the problem the Xcode development team is facing here.
> Alpha.
>
>> On 28 févr. 2012, at 19:37, koko <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Cannot see strings in 4.3 …. and 4.3 sure does do goofy things …. lots of (Empty editor) entries in the Window menu which propagate to the 4.2.1 window menu.
>>>
>>> I use a library Str Lib which is a string class. Until 4.3 right clicking on the local variable and choosing show memory of *dptr would reveal the string … in 4.3 it display an empty memory panel.
>>>
>>> After giving Xcode 4 kudos I must recall all such praise … Xcode 4 is a severe impediment to timely software development and I am tired of trying to defend it against Visual Studio 2010 which my mates use.
>>>
>>> Apple and Xcode are an embarrassment to professional software development.
>>>
>>> Come on Apple, get with it or give back MPW at least it did not crash all the time.
>>>
>>> -koko
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