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Re: Xcode 5.0
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Re: Xcode 5.0

  • Subject: Re: Xcode 5.0
  • From: Luther Baker <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:54:19 -0500
Well, so, this is a public forum and if this is the style of engagement you like - then you have a right to that.

I don't always find your disposition very professional but posts like these seem reasonable and remind me that you are human, too.

Let that then be the scope of the suggestion I'm really tossing out to you - remember that we all read this and that most of us do this professionally and that some of us have a busy, stressful like and that we may prefer posts that read like a conversation between two professional adults working through a problem.

Your life and mileage may vary with this approach -- but as Dr. Suess says "try it, you might like it."

Ok, apologies for this final diversion with yet another off-topic post.







On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Alex Zavatone <email@hidden> wrote:
Also, Luther, I ask you to please learn the difference between clearly describing an issue, and ranting.

I have a background in QA where we had to clearly define the problem, what's wrong with it and what it should do.

It's in the best interest of the parties involved to be clear.

This is called describing the issue.

Going on a short tempered tirade about an issue is ranting.

Only be clearly describing the issue can you make sure that it is obvious to the intended audience.

But your defaulting to calling each clear description of a problem a rant, is a disservice to the people who wish to make the product better.

The reason I complain about issues is that there is something worth complaining about.

If the product had no flaws at all, then I would agree to being out of line.

If you are not used to people discussing what they want to understand better, or want to work better, then I really don't know where you're coming from.

I'm OVERJOYED that one simple change makes it super easy to fly through most of the interface with command keys.

I'm rather upset that usability standards have taken two steps back with the stark white interface and the removal of alternating row colors which make the UI harder on the eyes and harder for the users to detect the proper row that associated values may be on.

If you use the product, I would expect that you would be upset with those changes too.  If not, why?

But, do you really have a problem with an open discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the product so that we can properly report the issues and hopefully through our actions make the product better?

I've never been a part of a product community where this behaviour is not encouraged and embraced, and honestly don't understand where this hostility is coming from.


On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Luther Baker wrote:

> It's too bad you 2 complain so much here.
>
> Where is the problem anyone here can help you solve?
>
> You are both just ranting ...
>
> This mailing list is not your personal bat phone to the engineers at Apple.
>
> Find a better way, please.
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Rick Mann <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Too bad it takes ages to load up a storyboard. Too bad they made the UI look ridiculous (and that had to be custom UI, not something that came with the OS.
>>
>> Too bad they didn't spend more time making Autolayout constraints editing in IB not suck.
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:14 , Alex Zavatone <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> And one thing I LOVE is that the sliding in and sliding out animations on the nav and info panels are now GONE.  Command 0, 1, 2,4, Command Option 0, 1, 2.  Instant response of the UI.  No more sliding and waiting for the display to finish.
>>>
>>> THANK YOU GUYS!
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Xcode 5.0 is now available for download. I guess that means it no
>>>> longer hidden behind NDAs.
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if its safe to upgrade. Has any experienced any breaking
>>>> problems with it? Is iOS 4.3 and above available in Xcode 5.0?
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