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Re: Apple's Support of WebObjects
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Re: Apple's Support of WebObjects


  • Subject: Re: Apple's Support of WebObjects
  • From: Andrew Satori <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:30:22 -0400

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this:

The Java based WO Tools are dead (EOModeler, WOBuilder), but the Xcode based WO Tools will continue to exist and get enhancements as the pertain to Xcode in general (XCDataModeler, JAM/ANT based project support in Xcode).

Based upon that I would think that EOModeler is dead, and that it's replacement is Eclipse/WOLipse. Oddly enough, though I use WO, my use of EOModeler is very limited as most of my business logic and data logic already exists in Java classes, and rather than make it confusing to support 3 years down the road, I add to that library rather than add the Modeler layer, and that XCDataModeler doesn't do Java, so it directly reading and and writing to the JDBC Data sources is probably toast. WOBuilder, well it's definately toast, but that's not a huge loss. In it's current form it has aged such that much of it's functionality is useful only for roughing in a page. The layout and hand coding of the HTML to get the JavaScript, CSS and art just right are going to be done in another tool, not WOBuilder.

So yeah, it would be great to have a DreamWeaver that did WOBuilder functions, it's just not going to happen at this point, unless someone feels there is a market. At which point, someone might invest the year it would take to create a WOCoda (Coda like app for WO Pages). It's unlikely that someone is going to be Apple (though they did do Dashcode, which I would have categorically said they would not do as well).

Andy


On May 7, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote:

Hi!

I know people who are developing on Windows on 5.3. You just have to do something based on the FreeBSD and Linux installations description (on the WikiBook), replacing the libs, etc, and it works. With Eclipse and WOLips, of course. You are no different then on the Mac, because "our" tools are deprecated and will eventually stop working. So we are all in the same boat. The only diference is that you don't have a nice little installer, you have to do it by hand. Besides that, it works.

  Yours

Miguel Arroz


On 2007/05/07, at 07:36, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:

I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop development
of Web Objects.

To add on, I would think that the support for MS Windows development and deployment is deprecated. For Windows/WO developer like me, who wish to use Windows as prime development platform, and build platform-independent applications, it is definitely not a good thing. Now we are forced to drop Windows development (Ok, not so critical) and also to drop any Windows deployment (that is quite bad indeed, from user perspective, maybe what Apple likes to see..). OK, we still have choices to deploy to other platform e.g. Linux, Solaris...; )


I really like WebObjects, it's design makes it the most powerful
development package, as well as the Apple design tools allow for fast
application design.


The same reason why I still hook on to this tool after years (after all others have dropped and turn to others), even in a place where WO developer resource is so scarce...and distinct : )

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