Re: Gianduia and WO
Re: Gianduia and WO
- Subject: Re: Gianduia and WO
- From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:17:55 -0500
So if we're stirring the pot here ... For me, it's not being cool in
the browser, it's about Java apps looking terrible. You can
immediately tell when you're using a Java app ... Things are just
never quite right, but they try to sell themselves as being native.
It's an uncanny valley situation. Eclipse/SWT are using native
controls for lots of things and they get it wrong, too. Swing just
doesn't have a chance. Go try IDEA -- it looks TERRIBLE. Look at their
preference panels. I tweeted when IDEA went free that I can see how to
make Eclipse right, but I'd never be able to make IDEA right.
For browser apps, it's obvious they're not native apps, and the bar is
set low in the browser at this point, so you can make a slick looking
app, and it doesn't have to be perfectly native, and people are still
OK with it. I would be far more interested in CocoaClient where you
actually have a chance of pulling off a nice end-user deliverable.
That said, I recognize that there are plenty of apps where "looking
slick" doesn't really matter -- that you just need to get some
business app out there. But what does Java bring to the table that
you're not getting in the browser? Why not just use D2W? Drag and drop
is about the only thing, and that will be in the good browsers pretty
soon.
I do, however, think D2JC is a _neat_ technology, in that it's
amazingly clever what it's doing under the covers, I just am not sold
on the end result.
ms
On Nov 6, 2009, at 7:41 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
Hey! Did I hear "JavaClient"?! :-D
Yeah, it will be cool if someday we get the tools to do something
client-server like JavaClient.
Oh wait! We already _have_ WebObjects-based JavaClient, and Direct-
To-JavaClient and it works today and has for _years_.
Sure, it's not as "cool" as a browser-based solution, in the same
way WO isn't as "cool" as Ruby.
**ducks, runs for cover and scrambles to get the D2JC project
template updated**
Dave
On Nov 6, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Not really sure... basically you'd need something totally new, as
this would be more like JavaClient and not like a web app. But all
this is *moot* until we don't have it.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 06.11.2009 um 13:05 schrieb Mike Schrag:
Yeah .. I suspect there could be a GianduiaLook, and that would
make a lot of sesnse.
ms
I think we've seen with the SproutCore stuff that it's not. Apart
from *maybe* a JS D2W.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 06.11.2009 um 02:54 schrieb Mike Schrag:
rom my perspective, I don't know that it's worth building a
server stack on top of it as much as I think it would be nice to
leverage the development tools we already have to make it easier
to write the Javascript.
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David Avendasora
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