Subject: Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
Subject: Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
- Subject: Subject: Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
- From: "Trumbull, Kevin" <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:39:16 -0700
- Thread-topic: Subject: Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
I'd like to thank the list for all of the assistance. I did get a copy of
Beta 3.
Some replies to what were rather pertinent observations regarding the whys and
fors of my attempt to use the Apple version and not another version of X11R6.
1) It was correctly observed that I should have made a backup copy when I
downloaded it the first time. My copy of the beta was wiped by my ID10T boss.
"Look now it's 1.0, no need for the beta *trash*" I should have realized and
stashed another copy.
2) I do not and did not expect any support on a beta product, nor do most
admins I have dealt with.
3) The Apple version is far simpler to use and configure than XDarwin. I work
at a high school. Many of the techs here don't know what "ls" means and
certainly not "chmod", so simplicity is good. The source version of XFree86
is not much of an option for this reason.
4) The Apple version has been faster than any of the other versions I have
installed/compiled on OSX. Most of the machines getting this disk image are
333Mhz iMacs with 160M of RAM (Some are beige 233Mhz machines with 160M RAM),
they need all
the help they can get.
5) The Apple version is a standalone compiled binary. I do not want dev tools
on the image at all. I don't want to install them and have to remove them
later. I also want the image small.
6) My supervisor is seriously afraid of the CLI, however still expects things
done in an unreasonable amount of time. While I run Slackware at home and all
installs I do on it generally start with "make" used in one form or another, I
generally don't do it so much at work. When installing source based items I
really like to take my time and read all of the readme files and config
options, unfortunately here that is challenging. And OSX is definately not
Slackware, or FreeBSD (which I also use from time to time) for that matter.
7) I am very grateful for all that Apple has done, the whole end user UNIX and
all. But I really don't believe they get the whole enterprise thing yet.
Removing utilties that users may use beta or not is generally bad practice.
You'd be amazed at the amount of stuff in corporate america running on betas
or beta-quality shipping products. I have used tons of applications in the
corporate world with quality that was orders of magnitude worse than Beta 3.
For an example of an appropriate stance towards the enterprise on unsupported
software check:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/
8) As far as upgrading, 500 copies of 10.3 cost roughly $24,500 and 1500 cost
$58,500... It's a great upgrade but it's a hard sell, more for the things
that most people don't notice like the improved LDAP support.
I'm not interested in starting the whole flame war back up, just stating my
take on everything. I will not reply to more discussion on whether or not
Apple is or is not at fault for removing the beta. It happened, annoyed
parties should notify Apple by their general channels (Apple Rep, whatever) so
that Apple can get information on how their actions affect their customers and
better make decisions in the future, and everyone should move on.
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