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Re: Xcode's Find in Project
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Re: Xcode's Find in Project


  • Subject: Re: Xcode's Find in Project
  • From: John Daniel <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:40:54 -0600

On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Laurence Harris wrote:

I seem to remember having to type Apple-S, Apple-W 27 times in a row.

Actually, we say Command-S and Command-W. Windows users say Apple-S and Apple-W. ;-)


That said, no, you didn't have to use those commands 27 times. Command-Option-S would save all of them at once, and Command-Option- W would close all of them.

Yes! I remember now! I even used that sequence a couple of times - but no more than that. It used to be a source of pride for Mac users that they didn't have to remember all those 3-key combinations.


I think your complaints are more nits than serious shortcomings.

Don't you think it's a bit pretentious to pass this kind of judgement on someone else's work style?

I haven't judged anyone's work style. Someone started a thread about "Xcode improvements" that has now filled up my Xcode folder with about 75 messages. Many of those messages are about how awful FileMerge is. Well, I really like it. A couple of those 75 messages have made me like it even more. If, on the unlikely chance that anyone at Apple is paying attention, I don't want them to think that the Xcode users are unanimous in thinking that FileMerge is junk. Some do. Some don't. Like scientists studying Global Warming, their opinions are divided.


I respect that it works well for you, and I'm sure for others too. You in turn should understand and respect that it doesn't work well for a lot of other people instead of telling people who don't work the way you do that they're nitpicking. I see this as a big part of the problem. The people with a Unix background love all these Unixy tools and think anyone who doesn't is just a whiner or doesn't deserve to be called a serious programmer instead of recognizing and respecting that different people just work and think differently.

I'm all for different ways of working. But I think this mailing list would be much more useful as an exchange of ideas about how to make Xcode work better. For example, you have expressed a disinterest in using scripts to make FileMerge handle line endings better. Because of that, I didn't bother hacking up a little script to normalize line endings and feed the results into FileMerge. True, that is a "Unixy" way of doing things. But at some point, you have to play the hand that fate deals you. All in all, I think the transition to Unix-based MacOS X has worked out for every Mac user - including developers. With any advancement, there is a price to be paid.


That doesn't make either group inferior or less deserving of tools that work well for them. That's why options are good. Unfortunately, with the demise of CW a major option was taken off the table.

CW was never an "option". 20 years ago people like Symantec and even Borland sold Mac development tools. They didn't last long. CW was the only real Mac development platform for 10 years. There were very few MPW users. I'm a self-declared Unix geek and even I didn't like MPW. Then Apple transitioned to MacOS X and CW was caught between owners with an Albatross called Powerplant.


CW is gone - along with Macsbug and 27 restarts a day, whether you need them or not. All is not rosy for me either. I think it is just awful that Hypercard died instead of Applescript.

Apple is going to continue to make improvements in their products. They don't have infinite resources, so only the squeaky wheels are going to get greased. Do helper apps like FileMerge qualify? It can be improved with scripts or swapped out entirely by some fancy new diff tool written by someone that hates FileMerge. No one is going to swap out GDB. We just have to hope that Apple will be merciful and do something with it.

FWIW, I hear a significant number of Apple's own engineers use BBEdit for searches because even they prefer it to Xcode's Find in Project. I can't verify that, but it comes from someone inside Apple whom I believe I can trust.

Again, I don't care. I detest BBEdit for searches anyway. I think that, among Mac developers, that fact makes me certifiably insane - or extremely unpopular at the very least. Sticks and stones, my friend. Stay back! He's got a bash shell with find and grep and he knows how to use them!


John

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 >Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: "Theodore H. Smith" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: "Shawn Erickson" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: "Theodore H. Smith" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: Laurence Harris <email@hidden>)
 >Codewarrior RIP - was Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: John Daniel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Codewarrior RIP - was Re: What are your top desired improvements in Xcode ? (From: Laurence Harris <email@hidden>)
 >Xcode's Find in Project (From: John Daniel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Xcode's Find in Project (From: Laurence Harris <email@hidden>)
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