Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
- Subject: Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
- From: Matt Gough <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:32:05 +0000
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> believe all windows should be returned, no matter if the application
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> is visible or not. It's not because something is not visible onscreen
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> that it's not a relevant information. Especially for blind people....
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> (remember for what the Accessibility API has been created..)
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Yes, remember the purpose of the Accessibility APIs...
Granted, I am trying to use them for something other than their intended
purpose, but that is often what makes Mac OS [X] apps so great.
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When an app is hidden, users cannot access their windows - which argues
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for the Accessibility API not to allow access to them either.
Well, in that case you could also argue that a non-hidden window that is
completely obscured by other windows should not be accessible either.
Surely, the user knows that the window does exist and that if an assistive
app wanted to allow them to bring that window to the front, it should be
allowed to. Why not just leave it up to the assistive app to decide what
best suits their users in this case.
Besides, the Dock still allows you to access them for a hidden app. I am
just trying to do the same. (Yes, I know the Dock doesn't use Accessibility.
It is lucky enough to have SPIs that it can use.)
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I can understand why it would be convenient to access the hidden
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windows. But I don't buy the argument that it's necessary.
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This reminds me of the philosophical conundrum 'If a tree falls in a forest
and no one is there to hear it, does it make as sound?'.
Matt
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