Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
- Subject: Re: Hidden Cocoa apps have empty kAXWindowsAttribute
- From: John Louch <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:08:23 -0800
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>> believe all windows should be returned, no matter if the application
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>> is visible or not. It's not because something is not visible onscreen
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>> that it's not a relevant information. Especially for blind people....
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>> (remember for what the Accessibility API has been created..)
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> Yes, remember the purpose of the Accessibility APIs...
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Granted, I am trying to use them for something other than their intended
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purpose, but that is often what makes Mac OS [X] apps so great.
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> When an app is hidden, users cannot access their windows - which argues
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> for the Accessibility API not to allow access to them either.
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Well, in that case you could also argue that a non-hidden window that is
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completely obscured by other windows should not be accessible either.
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Surely, the user knows that the window does exist and that if an assistive
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app wanted to allow them to bring that window to the front, it should be
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allowed to. Why not just leave it up to the assistive app to decide what
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best suits their users in this case.
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Besides, the Dock still allows you to access them for a hidden app. I am
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just trying to do the same. (Yes, I know the Dock doesn't use Accessibility.
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It is lucky enough to have SPIs that it can use.)
This is not true. The Dock does not have access to them for a hidden app.
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> I can understand why it would be convenient to access the hidden
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> windows. But I don't buy the argument that it's necessary.
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This reminds me of the philosophical conundrum 'If a tree falls in a forest
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and no one is there to hear it, does it make as sound?'.
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Matt
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