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Re: Header Relief for Eudora users
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Re: Header Relief for Eudora users


  • Subject: Re: Header Relief for Eudora users
  • From: Chuq Von Rospach <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:35:55 -0800

At 9:10 AM -0300 10/31/00, Bill Briggs wrote:

I know, but that only solves a small part of the problem. True, one no longer has to see the gargantuan header, but it's still there, just a click away, and that means it's still eating disk space at the rate of more than 2 k per message.

sorry, but -- seen the cost of disk recently? I just can't get upset about that.

The RFC for the list-* headers is RFC 2369. the purpose of those headers is to allow people who run mail lists to embed information so that mail clients can automate process for their end users -- whether it's setting up an "unsubscribe" button or creating a URL for a user to click to get list help. it's a new standard, but it solves a HUGE problem for mail list systems, which is how to help users get access to list-administration options, since we all know pretty much the only people who DO keep those "welcome" messages are the people who don't need them anyway.

Support for these headers in clients is still primitive at best, but it's a new, important standard, and if the list servers don't support it, there's no impetus for the mail client authors to do so, so MLMs like Mailman have to (and are) taking the lead in making that information available -- even on the internet, adoption of new functionality takes time. The added overhead is trivial compared to finally having a single, standard way of documenting these necessary data pieces and doing so in a way that allows automated use of that data for our non-techie/naive users.

information. There's no point in seeing it or storing it. I just want 4 lines in the header: To, From, Subject, and Date.

and the nice thing is, if you really, really want that, you have the ability to do things on the client end to do it. This would be pretty trivial to do with procmail, for instance. But I don't think we should gut things on the server end to the lowest common denominator ("let's not do anything anyone doesn't like") because we might as well shut down and go home.

these headers are a new, emerging email standard. I'd like to suggest you get used to them, because I think over the next year or so, they'll become very common as MLMs add the feature and sites upgrade to the new software.

E-mail is a very dynamic area of the internet right now. It's scary how much it's changed in the last two years (he says, as a person who makes his living trying to keep up with it). This is just one piece of it, but it's a huge one in the long term, because it allows us to help build tools for those that don't know the techie details enough to do these things for themselves - and that's a huge problem with mail lists right now.

chuq

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Chuq Von Rospach, Apple Mail List Gnome
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