Re: Address Book in Eudora
Re: Address Book in Eudora
- Subject: Re: Address Book in Eudora
- From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:55:09 -0400
On 08/21/2002 16:58, "John Delacour" <email@hidden> wrote:
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> As far as Eudora's dictionary goes:
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> No terms that allow me to create address book entries.
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Balls!
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<obtuse scripting example snipped>
Um...there's no phone number, no work address, no web info. Secondly you're
seriousl saying that *nickname* which is normally an address book *field* is
a clear, concise, intuitive dictionary term for an address book contact?
Maybe Eudora programmers need to spend less time at the pub.
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> No terms that allow me to create or modify existing signatures
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Nonsense again.
Bzzt...there is no term in the Eudora dictionary, (Which I am looking at
now) that reads 'signature'. The closest is the signature property of
'message' which allows me to set it to none, standard, or alternate. That
would appear, in the english language to indicate that I have to choose
between no signature, a pre-defined standard signature, or a pre-defined
alternate signature. That does not show any term that allows to create a
custom signature field.
As well, even if I create extras, there is no way to access custom sigs from
those three properties.
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> No terms to set the LDAP/Finger servers
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<x-eudora-setting:228> Host to use for LDAP queries
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<x-eudora-setting:8403> Port for finger requests
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<x-eudora-setting:103> Host to use for finger queries
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<x-eudora-setting:7611> Default LDAP search filter
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etc etc. -- all easily findable in the settings list with the keystroke cmd-f.
Those aren't in the dictionary. They aren't easily available via the UI.
Secondly, you just have proven my point that the Eudora dictionary, (and the
AS dictionary is what I am talking about here) is obtuse. There is *no*
syntax reference for setting in Eudora for OS X outside of telling me that
the plural form is settings. That's not clear, nor concise. In any event,
since I can only have *1* LDAP server, there's not much of a point in
scripting this anyway.
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> No terms to allow me to set a POP/IMAP account
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ditto
Nothing in the personality term specifies this, to quote:
Class personality: A personality
Plural form:
personalities
Elements:
setting by numeric index
Properties:
name international text -- the name of the personality
id integer [r/o] -- unique id of the personality
Now, I only speak American, but looking at that, I don't see any way to tell
Eudora that a personality is an IMAP personality. But let's compare this to
E'rage's take on things:
"Class POP account: An account for accessing mail from a POP server
Plural form:
POP accounts
Properties:
name Unicode text -- the name of the account
ID integer [r/o] -- the account's unique ID
full name Unicode text -- the full name of the user
email address string -- the e-mail address of the account
SMTP server string -- the SMTP server used to send mail with the
account
POP server string -- the POP server used to retrieve mail
POP ID string -- the account ID on the POP server
password string -- the password used to access the POP server
allow online access boolean -- true to allow online access to the
account (and show it in the folder list)
include in send and receive all boolean -- true to include this account
with Send & Receive All
leave on server boolean -- true to leave a copy of read mail on the
server
send secure password boolean -- true to always send the password
securely
POP requires SSL boolean -- true if an SSL connection is needed for the
POP server
POP port integer -- the port to use when connecting to the POP server
SMTP requires SSL boolean -- true if an SSL connection is needed for
the SMTP server
SMTP port integer -- the port to use when connecting to the SMTP server
SMTP requires authentication boolean -- true if authentication is
required for the SMTP server
SMTP uses account settings boolean -- true if the SMTP server uses the
same account ID and password as the incoming server
SMTP account ID string -- the account ID for SMTP server, if SMTP
requires authentication is true, and SMTP uses account settings is false
SMTP password string -- the password used to access the SMTP server, if
SMTP requires authentication is true, and SMTP uses account settings is
false
additional headers string -- additional headers to add to outgoing
messages
default signature type none/random/other -- the default type of
signature to be used for new messages
default signature choice reference -- to the signature, if default
signature type is other
maximum message size integer -- the maximum size in KB of messages you
want to receive
delete messages from server after integer -- delete messages from the
server after number of days
delete messages from server when deleted from computer boolean --
delete messages from the server when they are deleted from computer"
Or perhaps it's IMAP setting...
"Class IMAP account: An account for accessing mail from an IMAP server
Plural form:
IMAP accounts
Elements:
folder by numeric index, satisfying a test
Properties:
name Unicode text -- the name of the account
ID integer [r/o] -- the account's unique ID
full name Unicode text -- the full name of the user
email address string -- the e-mail address of the account
SMTP server string -- the SMTP server used to send mail with the
account
IMAP server string -- the IMAP server used to retrieve mail
IMAP ID string -- the account ID on the IMAP server
password string -- the password used to access the IMAP server
include in send and receive all boolean -- true to include this account
with Send & Receive All
send secure password boolean -- true to always send the password
securely
IMAP requires SSL boolean -- true if an SSL connection is needed for
the IMAP server
IMAP port integer -- the port to use when connecting to the IMAP server
SMTP requires SSL boolean -- true if an SSL connection is needed for
the SMTP server
SMTP port integer -- the port to use when connecting to the SMTP server
SMTP requires authentication boolean -- true if authentication is
required for the SMTP server
SMTP uses account settings boolean -- true if the SMTP server uses the
same account ID and password as the incoming server
SMTP account ID string -- the account ID for SMTP server, if SMTP
requires authentication is true, and SMTP uses account settings is false
SMTP password string -- the password used to access the SMTP server, if
SMTP requires authentication is true, and SMTP uses account settings is
false
additional headers string -- additional headers to add to outgoing
messages
root folder path string -- the path to IMAP's root folder
default signature type none/random/other -- the default type of
signature to be used for new messages
default signature choice reference -- to the signature, if default
signature type is other
send commands to IMAP server simultaneously boolean -- false to work
better with some error prone servers
download complete messages in IMAP Inbox boolean -- true to download
entire message only in the Inbox
partially retrieve messages boolean -- true to download messages less
than or equal to maximum size
partially retrieve messages size unsigned integer -- value of maximum
size for Imap message downloads
IMAP live sync boolean -- true to enable Live Sync
IMAP live sync only connect to inbox boolean -- true to always Live
Sync only to Inbox
IMAP live sync connect on launch boolean -- true to have Live Sync
immediately connect on Launch
enable IMAP live sync timeout boolean -- true to have Live Sync quit
after a period of inactivity
IMAP live sync timeout small integer -- number of minutes for Live Sync
to stay connected before timing out
check for unread messages in subscribed IMAP folders boolean -- true to
check number of unread messages in subscribed folders
IMAP inbox folder reference [r/o] -- path to INBOX folder
store messages in IMAP sent items folder boolean -- true to move sent
messages to Sent Items folder
IMAP sent items folder reference -- folder to store sent messages in
store messages in IMAP drafts folder boolean -- true to store unsent
messages in Drafts folder
IMAP drafts folder reference -- folder to store unsent messages in
move messages to the IMAP deleted items folder boolean -- true to moved
deleted messages to Deleted Items folder
IMAP deleted items folder reference -- folder to move deleted messages
to
empty IMAP deleted items folder on quit boolean -- true to delete
messages from deleted items folder when quitting
delete expired IMAP messages on quit boolean -- true to delete messages
older than x days when quitting
delete expired IMAP messages on quit after small integer -- number of
days after which to delete messages on quit if delete on quit pref is set
delete all expired IMAP messages on quit boolean -- true to delete all
messages from deleted items folder when quitting"
Why, l can look *right* at that and tell which terms apply to IMAP vs. POP.
Powermail has a 'kind' property in it's acccount class. Mail.app has both
POP and IMAP account classes. Mozilla's email functionality isn't scriptable
at all, so they have nothing. Mailsmith only does POP, but 'mail account' is
still clearer than 'personality'.
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> No terms for searching the address book
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Eudora's searching is second to none, extremely fast and allows
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seraching with regular expressions
Not within the AppleScript dictionary it isn't.
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> The Eudora toolbar is only a great feature if you hate script menus,
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> and a clear interface obviates the need for custom F-keys. But if
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> *you* like it, great. I personally dislike large toolbars...
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Wrong again. Eudora's toolbar can
*How* can I be wrong when I don't like toolbars? It's an *opinion*. I don't
like toolbars...not Eudora's, not Adobe's, no one's. It's not discrimination
when you hate everyone.
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All the setting numbers - and there are hundreds of them published
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and many more secret - are available in a flash at the click of a
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toolbar button and clearly explained. The value of the settings can
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also be changed by simply command clicking in the setting, without
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the need to use AE.
Wow...super-secret settings that aren't in the dictionary being sued to
prove that Eudora's dictionary isn't poorly done. Doctor, some valium
please. I especially love the ..."and many more secret part". Luckily, other
email apps decided to place their power in the UI, not in idiotic hidden
settings that are a sign of rather rampant insecurity. I also love setting
14701: DO NOT TOUCH...then *WHY* list it? *WHY* have it? UI anyone?
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Since you clearly have no idea about Eudora and its potential, you
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had better pipe down and cease disseminating false information.
You really should reconsider that attitude. Really, you've managed to prove
my point that Eudora's dictionary is unclear, not concise, and rather obtuse
for me *far* better than I ever could.
john
--
"Where there's a Will, there's usually a large, barrel-chested robot waving
arms hither and thither, screaming pronouncements of doom. It's quite
annoying."
From the sig of an Outlook Express Beta Tester :)
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