Re: [OT] Only three things (was Re: Why save text item delimiters?)
Re: [OT] Only three things (was Re: Why save text item delimiters?)
- Subject: Re: [OT] Only three things (was Re: Why save text item delimiters?)
- From: Christopher Nebel <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:09:57 -0700
On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 06:32 PM, Craig Sutherland wrote:
Quick now.... you are familiar with the legend of the turtle that we
all live on top of.
A few of them, yes. There are a *lot* of turtle-supports-(or
is)-the-world myths. I'm mostly familiar with the Asian Indian one,
which gets an elephant into the fun. [1]
For a 2 week vacation in Toganoxie, Kansas and the SUV... What were
the names of the original seven tribes? Algonquin is one.... Quiet
audience and all you long fellows ...none of these gitchie goomie
hints.
I'm guessing that the answer you're looking for is something like
Algonquin, Iroquois, Choctaw (Mobilian), Dakota (Sioux), Catawba,
Cherokee, Uchee, and Natchez. [2] However, it's a sort of bogus
question: most of those weren't tribes, they were confederations or
culturally related groups; the only way in which they were "original"
was that they existed in the 1600s, when Europeans started arriving in
significant numbers; and whether there are seven or not depends on who
you ask, when you ask, and what area you consider -- that list is just
for the US east of the Mississippi. What's your list, and where (and
when) did you learn it? And what the heck does "gitchie goomie" mean,
aside from "Lake Superior"? (Between this and the Ojibwa reference,
you must be from Michigan...)
Based on what I've read, I suspect the idea of "seven original tribes"
is a fiction. There were (and are) hundreds of different tribes, some
of which evolved from each other, some of which were simply
confederated, like the Iroquois. However, some texts define seven
"culture groups" for North American Indians, and interestingly enough,
both Sapir and Voegelin define seven linguistic groups for North
Amerind languages, though they don't agree with each other, and neither
corresponds very well with the culture groups.
--Chris Nebel
Apple Development Tools
[1] On that note: An elephant and a giraffe are swimming in a river,
when the elephant spots a turtle sunning himself on a rock. The
elephant reaches over with his trunk and hurls the turtle far into the
jungle. "What did you do that for?" asks the giraffe. "That turtle
bit me almost 50 years ago," explains the elephant. "Wow, and you
remembered after all that time? You have a really good memory," says
the giraffe. "Yep," replies the elephant, "turtle recall." Thank you
folks, I'll be here all week.
[2] That list came from A Pictorial History of the United States by S.
G. Goodrich, c. 1860, except that he listed Huron and Iroquois
separately, while most other texts treat them as the same (sort of), so
I combined them to make seven.
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