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Applescript: Developer or End-User technology ? (was: Re: Why is copying a file so hard ?)
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Applescript: Developer or End-User technology ? (was: Re: Why is copying a file so hard ?)


  • Subject: Applescript: Developer or End-User technology ? (was: Re: Why is copying a file so hard ?)
  • From: Emile Schwarz <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:23:50 +0200

> It appears I'm not the only one who is confused by the message Apple
> puts out to end users about AE and AS.

Who cares about the Apple message ? What people have to know is where to get the support (in this case, the documentation).

IMHO, AppleScript is used by two kind of people: end user (Joe Newbie) and developpers.

For the end users, there is a folder ("http://www.apple.com/applescript/"; if my memory is correct). And for the developers, Christopher gave its answer on a prior mail.


Everything else is talk about talk, opinion and everyone have its own (fortunately).


Some people know Apple for more years than I do (I began in the mid 80s). We know that people do - sometimes - not finde the documentation; it happens. Worst, somepeople cry because they can't go ahead, but still use the first draft of the documentation at the time the final book is on sale (yes, they got the draft 'free' and the final book is - worth - some $).


AppleEvents ? I can be wrong, but I do not think about them as a End User technology (where’s the tool to use them ?)

At last, concerning the AppleScript Language Guide / Finder (AppleScript documentation as a whole) is a bit outdated and there is a need to provide an up-to-date documentation books (maybe next year for the MacIntel computers ?)


BTW: you talked about end users ? Where is the end user documentation ? Unless you buy a Macintosh recently, you can't tell. Is there some ?
I use a PowerBook since mid-August 2004 and I didn't not saw an End-User documentation (In the Help System ?)
And AppleScript came to light after some alpha/beta (on CD-ROM) sent to... developers.



End Users vs Developers: 1-1. Everyone is winning.


Automator for the end user ? The end user have to buy Tiger first, then get Automator and read the eventual documentation (if some end user documentation exists). I have to say that I didn't dedicate some time for automator. So I am not in a good place to talk about automator.
Three pdf files found in my hard disk (Write Your Own Automator Actions by Matt Neuburg.pdf for example; hi Matt). I will take a look at them this afternoon (maybe).


Emile

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:14:20 -0700
From: Sparky <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Why is copying a file so hard?
To: AppleScript Users <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
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It appears I'm not the only one who is confused by the message Apple puts out to end users about AE and AS. On the one hand they really do want users to think that these tools are accessible to the masses. But on the other hand everybody's interests are best served if end users stay the heck away from these technologies. Though Automator is clearly being pitched to the end user today, the question about it that I have is whether Apple will be able to clean it up and give it sufficient legs that becomes the end user entry point for AE and AS. Or will it also demoted to the same ambiguous no man's land that AS has settled into?



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