Re: AppleScript and shell scripting
Re: AppleScript and shell scripting
- Subject: Re: AppleScript and shell scripting
- From: Simon Topliss <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:03:08 +0100
On 24 Jul 2007, at 21:30, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote:
On 25/07/2007, at 4:56 AM, Stockly, Ed wrote:
I'm not opposed to shell scripting, I use shell scripting myself on
occasion. I recognize that it's a useful and important tool, I'm
glad it's
here and I have nothing but respect for those who use it every day.
But, shell scripting takes up way too much bandwidth on this list
Please desist your campaign to push those of us who want to combine
shell methods with AppleScript off onto another list. It is an
unwarranted discrimination and rather unpleasant to see your
constant call for us to be bundled off. It may suit your sense of
order for us all to wander over to macSCRPT but it diminishes this
list. I'll mention the absence of John Delacour as an example of
the loss we experience when people decide to impose themselves on
the community here.
I think that the shell solutions posed here are extremely useful.
They are situated in a context which makes them sensible and useful
to me. I can see how they interact with AppleScript and I get to
see the pros/cons of the approaches compared by people who know
both shell and Applescript. I don't imagine that I can get too many
people over comp.bash.newb to give me a decent comparison of
AppleScript v Shell methods.
It's heartening that your motivation is to provide an encouraging
environment for Applescript newcomers. My recollection of arriving
here was that the technical content of most of the posts were
beyond my comprehension. There was some obvious good humour and a
mixture of patience and impatience. People contributed to my
learning by providing what they considered to be the best methods
and examples. That doesn't seem to have changed at all. Imposing a
restriction on the kind of scripting advice that may be used here
won't make the environment any more welcoming and good natured. It
can only divide the community. As high minded as I might feel about
giving something back, I don't think I'd stay to wean the newb's.
To be frank, there has to be some quid pro quo. My interests are in
seeing where the language goes when it is being applied. If a
policy restricting discussions of the shell were imposed here I'd
cancel my subscription.
Ditto. Malcolm, I couldn't have said it better myself (even though
I've been trying too!).
We've had this discussion on this list many times.
If you don't want to implement a shell based solution - don't. If you
don't want to read about shell based solutions - don't. Deal with it.
Don't try to enforce it.
Just about everything I've learnt about using the shell, either in
conjunction with, or as an alternative to AppleScript, has come from
this list. My AppleScript solutions have been enhanced more than I
could ever have learnt from subscribing to any other list that was
more shell specific.
Macscrpt is not a well-used list. I do still subscribe to it but I
can't remember the last time I learnt anything useful from it.
Simon
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