Re: Just say no ?
Re: Just say no ?
- Subject: Re: Just say no ?
- From: Richard Rönnbäck <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:27:19 +0100
- Thread-topic: Just say no ?
Thanks Mark,
Yes, it would be off-topic to go any further into that subject, so I won't
;-)
Thank's for the tips
> Från: "Mark J. Reed" <email@hidden>
> Datum: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:15:51 -0500
> Till: Richard Rönnbäck <email@hidden>
> Kopia: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
> Ämne: Re: Just say no ?
>
> There is an astonishing variety of pronunciations of English even if
> you limit the survey to native speakers, and the "long o" sound in
> "no" is no exception. But if you just use the Latin "long o" sound as
> found in the Romance languages, you'll be understood perfectly.
>
> If you're going for a more authentic accent, then you have to pick one
> to go for. The long o is pretty much universally a diphthong, but the
> two sounds composing it differ. In General American, it starts out as
> more or less the Latinate /o/, and finishes with an offglide into
> either /w/ or one of the "u" vowel sounds (the one in "put" or the one
> in "clue" being the usual suspects); in the UK Received Pronunciation
> the first sound is more of an "uh" sound (IPA /ʌ/).
>
> But none of this is on-topic for AppleScript. See Wikipedia for more
> information. You might also want to look into J.C. Wells'
> _Longman_Pronunciation_Dictionary_,
> (http://eltcatalogue.pearsoned-ema.com/Product.asp?CallingPage=Catalogue&ISBN=
> 9781405881180),
> wihch has recordings of the headwords but also textual pronunciation
> guidance gleaned from Professor Wells' extensive survey of
> pronunciation across the Anglophone world.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Richard Rönnbäck
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>> From: hd
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:45:07 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: Just say no ?
>>>
>>> To my UK English ear the second "no" in Richard's sound file sounds very
>>> close
>>> to "now" and is distinctly different from the first.
>>
>> Which is what sounds strange to me, and it is definitely a change from
>> Leopard.
>>
>>> Richard, try
>>>
>>> say "just say no" using "Bruce"
>>
>> Bruce's "no" sounds as I would expect
>>
>>>
>>> "Alex" seems to be the worst offender, and from your sound file I'd guess
>>> that's the voice selected in System Preferences - Speech - Text to Speech -
>>> System Voice.
>>
>> Yes, you are right.
>>
>>> The ladies (Kathy, Vicki and Victoria) all seem to have had elocution
>>> lessons.
>>>
>>> You can make Alex talk proper like this:
>>>
>>> say "just say noe" using "Alex"
>>
>> That works, thanks
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>>
>> English is not my native language, so I certainly cannot claim to know the
>> preferred pronunciation of "no", but regardless of that, Alex's second "no"
>> is very different from his first, and also very different from Leopard,
>> where Alex's "no" sounds identical on both these lines.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, for those of you to whom my sample file sounds
>> correct, is that because you do not distinguish a difference between the two
>> lines, or because both pronunciations are acceptable to you?
>>
>> As someone still struggling to get a decent English pronunciations I thought
>> I at least had "no" right but maybe I have to reconsider that :-)
>>
>>
>>
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