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Re: Apple script and hypercard
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Re: Apple script and hypercard

  • Subject: Re: Apple script and hypercard
  • From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:18:56 +0100
Look guys, the automation target environment these days is not the PC or even the phone, it's the IOT. And you need processes to migrate, reset, run, authentify, broadcast, communicate. This is a big networked world, and it is today's reality. Applescript is simply not where things are going to happen anymore, and frankly I doubt that proprietary is going to cut it. Java had that target but Sun made a hash of it.
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 6:00 PM, has <email@hidden> wrote:
On 21/11/2016 13:39, William Adams wrote:
Arguably HyperCard was replaced by AppleScript Studio --- I'd like to see some nice successor to AppleScript and Automator --- the big thing is, I have to have legacy support for AppleScript until the apps which in question which I drive with it have been replaced, and when they are replaced, I need some suitable replacement automation system, and it needs to be something which affords a strategic advantage and reason to buy a Mac.

Using _javascript_, which is also available for the Windows versions of the apps in question is not an option, since at that point, might as well run Windows, since it runs there.

 Why? The benefit was NEVER in the choice of language; it was in the ability to tie straight into thousands of apps and harness that *collective power* for yourself. Keeping Automation locked to AppleScript is what's been killing it the last 20 years.

You want a language? I'll give you a language: Logo. Wipes AppleScript straight across the floor and into the trash. And if Bill Atkinson had been a Lisp person instead of a Pascal one, it would've been too.

But never too late to start.

Which is why, for the last couple years, I've been quietly pondering ways to take the end-user programming concepts and features I've been using in kiwi [1] (which in turn I stole from AppleScript, Logo, and near everything else) and make them work in a general-purpose scripting and automation language too.

That language, entoli, were I not a lazy toad (and Swift language such a pain in the butt), might even be shipping already in which case I'd have just bounced a demo at the Siri team and be waiting for jaws to be picked back up. Because the power of Automation is not in being able to speak complex instructions to a computer and have it perform those for you, it is in being able to combine simple instructions into powerful behaviors in advance, then trigger those behaviours with a simple spoken phrase of your own. And since written entoli is just words, phrases, commas, and full stops, guess why I already pinched as nickname "SiriScript" for it as well?

Never mind the mere 25 years of AppleScript; 10,000 years of the written word and the entire _civilizations_ we've built on top of it, and Tim and Craig think we should toss it all now? Steves preserve us!

has

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[1] A special-purpose tags+rules language for rendering templated artworks in Illustrator/InDesign <http://mantasystems.co.uk/docs.html>, and where I've been growing my understanding and insights into end-user programming for the last 3-8 years.

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