Re(6): AUGD: Free Ride for Board Members?
Re(6): AUGD: Free Ride for Board Members?
- Subject: Re(6): AUGD: Free Ride for Board Members?
- From: "Chuck Joiner" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 22:46:26 -0400
>
>> There mere fact we use MUG shows a lack of acceptance of the
>> situation. Macintosh is but one product Apple offers.
In a literal sense, absolutely correct. There has been a move afoot to
change the nomenclature to "Apple User Groups." I confess that I tend to
use MUG as (1) a convenience convention and (2) because I have a web
site called "The MUG Center."
:)
>>
>> A for profit enterprise has a clear goal. To make a profit!
>
>Well yeah, sort of. A bit simplistic, but sure.
The non-profit model is one model; there are others, and I seriously
doubt that there is one "best" for everyone.
>>
>> A User Group is neither a for profit enterprise or a cause. It's a
>> non-profit group of people with a similar shared interest: a fan club.
>> Nothing more and nothing less. I suspect more people are in the
>> Hannah Montana fan clubs than are in User Groups.
>
>Nonsense. Most people join User Groups not as fans, but to gain knowledge
>and learn from those smarter than them. They just happened to buy a
>particular product and want to learn more about it. Others join because they
>just happen to know a lot about the product, enjoy it and want to help. I'd
>wager few join as fans. Especially now.
I think there are two different views of user groups in this
conversation: the raison d'etre of the group, and the mechanics of how
the group functions. Dave described the former and Mike the later...and
both are pretty much correct.
>
>>Once we accept that Apple isn't obligated to us or owe us anything, we
>can move
>to a
>> better place for discussion. Hannah Montana fans don't expect every
>> time she comes into town that she visit their club or give free
>> tickets. Not picking on that singer- I just know the niece thinks
>> she's the bomb). Putting into perspective reduces the emotion and the
>> attachment to the ways of the past.
AMEN, but did you *have* to pick Hannah Montana as your example? ;-)
>
>I agree that any discussion where you feel Apple owes you something for the
>hours you put into your UG is silly, but its human nature to feel that way
>sometimes. You just need the occasional reminder that no one put a gun to
>your head to run your group. You did it because you wanted too. Stop doing
>it if you don't want to do it any longer. But don't expect thanks from
>Apple.
>>
>> Nobody wants to hear they need to adapt and many are afraid. They've
>> always known a certain way of doing things and are unwilling to
>> change. Number one phrase I hear is "I've been involved in User
>> Groups xxx number of years. We've done it this way and it works."
>> Even better "Our members want it this way."
Another AMEN to both comments.
>> I must comment on the irony that while many User Groups want fully
>> elected democratic process each year in their leadership, the User
>> Group Regional Liasons and the User Group Advisory Board, as I
>> understand are not.
>>
>> I hope this leads to an interesting and much needed discussion that is
>> long overdue.
>
>Don't know how that part of the UG program works but would like to know.
Interesting comments, guys, but do you really feel it matters? Both are
**Apple** teams, exist at Apple's pleasure, and are structured as it
sees fit. They hold no authority over your groups. Apple doesn't license
user groups. They do "recognize* groups who meet certain qualifications,
which get those groups a listing on the locator.
In short, there is no reason those teams should be democratically
assembled, any more than contributors to The MUG Center should be
elected. Different models for different goals, just like Mike's group
vs. Dave's group.
Don't know about you, but I'm enjoying this thread. Great exchange of ideas.
---Chuck
---Chuck
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