Re: Lost contents!
Re: Lost contents!
- Subject: Re: Lost contents!
- From: Brian Howard <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:55:10 -0400
On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 08:16 PM, Fatih Erarslan wrote:
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 06:25 PM, Brian Howard wrote:
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> Just consider this: Apple is the only one who has put out something
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> touted as being for beginners, namely "Learning Cocoa," which is crap.
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'Learning Cocoa' is not 'crap', it is just a tutorial book and assumes
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that you understand Objective-C which includes Object Orientation and C
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language
Tutorials that never bother to explain why you are typing in the
specified code are less that worthless, This is why Cheeseman's Vermont
Recipes are much better, he goes into detail. Besides, the cover of
"Learning Cocoa" explicitly states that "extensive" programming
experience is NOT needed. Furthermore there are many factual errors in
the book, which have been pointed out on this list. Crap may be too
strong; how about misleading, superficial, and overly obtuse?
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There is no such thing that you start building the roof of a house
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which is basically what you are trying to do. First build the basement
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then the walls and then the roof.
Apple recommends designing the GUI first!!!!!! With Interface Builder
it's supposed to be a piece of cake. But when I get tied up with trying
to make sense of IB, I chill out by working on the Model side of the
Application I'm striving for; gee, it's up to several dozen custom
classes, each containing methods that contain dozens or hundreds of
lines of code, and I'm way ahead here. And this is supposed to be the
hard part!
. . .and make yourself familiar with the class docs. These are the
things that you may hear from the Apple folks and most experienced Cocoa
developers.
I especially like the short and sweet ones labeled Description
Forthcoming! The class docs that do exist need examples of usage, big
time.
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I can recommend you some books:
Thank you, I will look into these.
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I also can say go ahead and take Cocoa classes on
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http://www.mediaschool.com/adc If you are a member of ADC, student and
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premier, you get 50% discount. It's been designed by collaborating with
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Apple engineers.
Sorry, but Apple should be paying ME to learn this stuff. They need
people like me more than we need Apple.
5% of the market, and all that. And thank you for trying to be
helpful; perhaps you were.
Brian E. Howard
Cocoa Cult Central
wishing Apple all the best, all the same