RE: Learning Cocoa (OT!: Small Language Rant)
RE: Learning Cocoa (OT!: Small Language Rant)
- Subject: RE: Learning Cocoa (OT!: Small Language Rant)
- From: "Mark Orchard" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:21:33 +1000
Hear! Hear!
Apple (or is that Next with a peel) is publicly extolling the virtues of its
embrace of Java2, yet internally, and for developers, showing a preference
for ObjC. This old language and its archaic syntax has had its day (I don't
want to wear holes in my "square-bracket" keys!). I hope Apple will stay
true to its word and develop a FASTER VM with Java (and C++) as it's
preferred development language(s) (with "support" for ObjC).
For those who want C++, that'll probably have to wait until Metrowerks
brings PowerPlant and a fast C++ compiler to OSX.
I don't usually reply to these threads but I was a little surprised when I
read the following -
>
I think we're getting pretty off-topic for this list; there isn't
>
usually much Cocoa-Java discussion on it anyway. You're probably
>
better to try one of the general OS X/Cocoa developer lists, at least
>
to get a more balanced perspective.
?!?! Cocoa-Java off-topic for the JAVA-DEV list!! There is a specific Cocoa
dev list but still, MRJ isn't the only "Java" going.
I hope I'm not of the mark but wasn't the original poster to the JAVA-DEV
list a Java developer looking for help in writing Cocoa?
Did my eyes deceive me or did the following replies gently suggest he should
move to ObjC?!
Is it a given that if you want to develop Cocoa apps you should forget Java
and do ObjC?
The latest VMs for Windows and other platforms have increased their speed
greatly. Apple is benchmarking poorly here.
The Java Bridge is well engineered but still overhead.
For whatever political reasons Apple has stayed with Next's ObjC as the
foundation for Foundation/AppKit.
They may rue the day. A lot of Java/C++ developers won't want to touch ObjC
with a 10-foot pole. I know I don't and I want to write OSX applications in
Java using Foundation/AppKit, not Swing.
Back to lurk mode.
Mark Orchard
IT Network Specialist
Telstra
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