Re: Objective-C vs. Java
Re: Objective-C vs. Java
- Subject: Re: Objective-C vs. Java
- From: "Dennis C. De Mars" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:01:35 -0700
on 7/25/01 2:22 PM, David Kopec at email@hidden wrote:
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I agree with you 100%. I'm comfortable with Objective-C the way it is.
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After using it for a while I prefer it over Java and C++. I never
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really got into object oriented C++ because after years of Java it just
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doesn't look appealing. I too feel like I'm in the minority in not
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being excited about ObjC++ coming to Mac OS X. I'm afraid it will force
The people who are most excited are the people with existing working
debugged C++ code which they would like to assimilate into their Cocoa
programs without rewriting from scratch or accessing via laborious glue
code. In many cases thousands of man-hours (or more) have been invested in
developing this source code, and in some cases it could make the difference
between whether it is practical to port an application to Cocoa at all;
without Obj-C++ some of the projects would just have to use Carbon or maybe
even, in cases of non-Mac projects, not make it to the Macintosh at all...
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me to deal with four languages on a regular basis in Cocoa
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development(Objective-C,Java,C,C++), and I don't really want that level
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of complexity when I'm working on projects with other people.
Well, you have the choice of using Obj-C alone if you wish. Probably most of
the people who don't have legacy C++ code will make that choice. However,
the above makes it sound like you wish others _didn't_ have a choice if it
means you might have to personally dirty your hands with C++. Hope that's
not what you meant. (If that _is_ your wish, glad you won't get it.)
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Some things are better best forgotten, that's the way I feel about my
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experiences with C++.
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 12:19 AM, cocoa-dev-
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> email@hidden wrote:
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>> ... but does anybody know if Apple (or
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>> a third-party) is working on an LDAP v.3 directory services plugin
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>> for the directory services architecture in Mac OS X? I've asked on
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>> another list ... but I think this has the interest value of a clump
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>> of fungus for most people.
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> Hmmm... tell me more about this clump of fungus (fungi?)....<grin>
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> Personally, I think that with the GNU compilers gaining in popularity
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> with management in various companies ("WHAT!?!? It's FREE?!? Let's get
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> it!") I think the C# is going to have a struggle. C, C++, and
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> Objective-C already exist and have a large backing. C# is stuck (as much
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> as Dylan was) as a single-source language - you buy it from M-soft and
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> only from M-soft. VB is a fad, not a trend. Just like C# is a fad.
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> I've got a few years in C and C++, but I REALLY like Objective-C (along
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> with PB and the rest). It has really knocked a LOT of time off of my
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> development time - which can only look good. Granted, I am not into the
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> esoteric stuff - well, maybe a little - but I have yet hit a point where
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> I said "you know, if I had source it would be SO much easier". That is
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> the one thing I hated about C++ under CW - I spent more time looking at
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> source than writing code. And, to be honest, I just plain LIKE
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> Objective-C better (once you get used to the syntax C++ starts to look
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> kind of ugly).
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> Java will always be around - until something better is seen that can
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> replace it.
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> Unfortunately I fear that I am in the minority - there seem to be a lot
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> of people waiting for ObjC++ to be supported. Personally, I think it is
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> refreshing to learn a knew language (okay, some _minor_ extensions). But
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> let me tell you, right now I am having a ball!
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> Cheers,
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> Lloyd
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