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Re: Cocoa/EOF for non-enterprise apps Re: proof of cocoa
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Re: Cocoa/EOF for non-enterprise apps Re: proof of cocoa


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa/EOF for non-enterprise apps Re: proof of cocoa
  • From: Deirdre Saoirse Moen <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:30:48 -0700

.... and completely outside of the realm of the needs of an average developer!

We're database weenies. We admit it. :)


The whole point of this discussion is the use of Cocoa/EOF for non-enterprise applications with the always present relgious tinge of ObjC vs. Java.

Java is, in my mind, a language for wannabes. There's a whole slew of reasons why it's a crescent wrench (being worse, under most circumstances, than an appropriately-sized box or open-ended wrench). Suffice to say that it's never the worst tool one could use, but imho it's also almost never the best.

And, for me, it's not so much that I like ObjC, but, as I've pointed out, that being C-based allows lots of other options for multi-language binding.

The reality is that MOST developers don't need the level of power and customization that you need.

And most aren't as cranky. :)
In those situations where we did need to hand tune the SQL, it wasn't a big deal. It was optimized-- typically by someone with experience much more along the lines of Jeff's or Deirdre's than mine-- and life went on.

Right -- I've been a DBA for companies like Honda (for example).

Am I happy about first class EOF/ObjC suport going away?

Not particularly, but I understand that it is a reality above and beyond something that Apple can totally control.

[huge snip]

One of the huge advantages of the JDBC drivers is the JDBC API itself and the qualification/certification program that the vendors are compelled to actually comply with.

So write the EOF/ObjC to talk JDBC to the database. That means one code base where it really matters, right? And one can clearly talk JDBC in *any* language. It's just a protocol. You *could* write a JDBC adapter in Cobol. In fact, I'm intuitively certain that it's been done.

In the ObjC world, I am still stuck with an Oracle adaptor that is optimized for Oracle 7.1.5 and a Sybase adaptor that was last compiled something like 5 years ago..... and very few other choices (OpenBase and FrontBase, obviously).

Yes, that is pathetic.

I have a lot more to say on this subject, but I'm not sure anyone has made it this far and I have to get some real work done [in Java against WO 4.5.1, at the moment... and a bit of 5.0 ...and a bit of Java/Cocoa/EO. All meeting or exceeding requirements, thank you :-) ].

Hey, I read the whole thing.

But I'm not going to be coding in Java, at least not extensively. And if I do, it won't be written for a single platform and therefore EOF wouldn't meet my needs as of 5.0.
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_Deirdre Stash-o-Matic: http://weirdre.com http://deirdre.net
"Cannot run out of time.... Is infinite time. You... are finite....
Zathrus... is finite. This... is wrong tool!" -- Zathrus


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