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Re: metallized interface (offtopic rant)
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Re: metallized interface (offtopic rant)


  • Subject: Re: metallized interface (offtopic rant)
  • From: Simon Stapleton <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:35:59 +0100

From: Phillip Hutchings <email@hidden>

<snip highly offtopic XP / OSX performance discussion>

As for the topic of this discussion, notice how all the apple iApps
(brushed metal ones) only ever have a single window? Sometimes pallets
etc, but never multi window? I guess this is the intended interface,
small utility apps, not something someone spends a lot of time working
in, but looks at frequently for information.

This is close to what the HIG says, although it does also say it's acceptable to have a mix. However, "applications that provide an interface for a digital peripheral" are unlikely to need more than one window anyway.

The 'Real World' metaphor explains this quite well.

<rant>

No, it bloody well doesn't, unless you're a cretin or willing to suspend disbelief to a rather large degree. My desktop (powerbook version) doesn't feature unwashed coffee cups, cigarette burns, bits of semi-disassembled computer hardware, screwdrivers, a powerbook, a lamp, etc. It also doesn't have (or need) a wood-effect finish. Conversely, my (real world) desktop has no windows in it ;-)

I am unlikely to accidentally chuck a screwdriver onto my powerbook screen thinking it is my (real world) desktop, unless I've ingested industrial quantities of mind-altering substances. This is because I am capable of distinguishing between the real world and the applications running on my powerbook.

I am also unlikely to frantically click the window of my mail app and expect it to play some mp3s. I am as capable of distinguishing between an mp3 player _application_ and an email _application_ as I am capable of distinguishing between a pile of unopened letters from the bank and my stereo. I don't need my mp3 player to look (completely) different to my other apps, as it happily remembers where it should be on the desktop, and therefore I know where it is. Even if it didn't, I would be perfectly capable of finding it should I need to. I'm still using iTunes, by the way, which even has a handy dock menu for skipping tracks, so you don't need to ever see the ugly bloody thing - I keep it hidden most of the time.

Then look at AddressBook/iCal. My (real world) address book is a book. It's not metal. My (real world) calendar is made of paper. It's not metal. I am therefore unable to use the 'visual cue' that iCal represents my real-world device, as it looks absolutely nothing like it. If I have a desktop full of metal apps, say AB, iPhoto, iTunes, iCal, iSync & iChat (not that I ever do), how do I distinguish between them? In exactly the same way I would if they were non-metallised. By knowing what they look like. The metal interface is serving no purpose.

I loathe and despise the metal interface, and have done since the first time I came across it. It doesn't work for me. It serves no purpose except to irritate me with it's ugly differentness. It gets on my nerves. Be warned. If you write a metallifised app that I consider worth using (i.e. it provides something that I want, and can't get elsewhere), and I'm going to have to pay for it, you can expect a stream of moaning emails from me, approximately once a day, until you either build me a custom version without the metal interface, or make the metal interface optional[1]. But then, I'm a grumpy old sod[2].

By the way, don't even get me onto 'skinning', and the sort of mad concoctions that get thrown out by clueless users with a cracked copy of photoshop and too much time on their hands. Go look at the Audion skins section (or, frankly, the default skin that comes with Audion) for a reason apps shouldn't be skinnable. I downloaded Audion, said "Ugh!", searched the skins a bit, said "Eeeeagh!", then deleted the whole damn lot.

Of course, and way offtopic, the new OSX look has thrown away much that was good about MacOS, and much that was good about *Step, in favour of - well, just 'stuff'. Some examples:

- Window close button now next to minimise button. At least they kept the 'closing the window doesn't kill the app' behaviour, so we're not quite windows yet.
- No windowshade (except by using 3rd-party additions)
- Minimise button. What purpose does that serve that wasn't served by window shading?
- No tear-off menus
- Useless toolbar hide button on window titlebar (how often do you need to hide/unhide toolbars? The only possible justification for this one is that it shows there is a toolbar when the bar itself is hidden)
- Toolbars too damn big. Actually, I'd go as far as to say that all the UI elements are now too big. I didn't buy a 19" monitor so my toolbars could take up more space, dammit.
- Can't remotely desktop any more
- HelpViewer

... etc. I could go on. Well, I _do_ go on, but this is in danger of getting so offtopic I'll get booted from the list.

Sadly, I think we are going to see more and more divergence from good UI design, and more and more metal interfaced crap, more and more skinnable apps, until we are as bad as windows (or, god forbid, X-Windows windowmanagers like enlightenment/sawfish/etc - have you _seen_ some of those horrible skins?).

This is also why the finder isn't metal - it has multi windows.

But they don't have curtains, do they? Or dead flies squashed in the corners. Do you need to get a ladder and clean them so you can see through them? Real world my <Bad word deleted>!

Just say NO!

</rant>

Sorry, but I had to vent.

Simon

[1] I managed to get someone to build me a non-metal version of an app I was _informally_ beta testing, for example ;-)
[2] I'll bet I'm not the only one, though.

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