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Re: Re(2): Preferences (was: UI: "Direct manipulation" is in conflict with "Forgiveness")
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Re: Re(2): Preferences (was: UI: "Direct manipulation" is in conflict with "Forgiveness")


  • Subject: Re: Re(2): Preferences (was: UI: "Direct manipulation" is in conflict with "Forgiveness")
  • From: ber <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:06:26 -0400

I haven't read the HIGs (much) yet since I want to use them as sort of a test when I'm
done coding my first cocoa program. I'll go back and change things as appropriate.

I use an "Apply to Session" button for non-persistent preference changes.

brian

On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 04:00 PM, Jens Bauer wrote:

Hi Ondra,

On Thu, 19 Sep, 2002, Ondra Cada <email@hidden> wrote:


On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 04:35 , Jens Bauer wrote:

Nevertheless, what I would recommend is to prepare a preference support
framework. That could save a lot of work, and, what's most important, it
would allow a "metapreference" of user's selection "I want HI-compatible
behaviour" or "I want OK/Apply/Cancel buttons, they aren't HI-compatible,
but I like them better".

Sorry for breaking in here...

If you have an OK button, which means the preferences are set, when you
click it, and you have a Cancel button, which means "forget about what I
did, I screwed up", what's the "Apply"-windows-like button good for then
?

-(IBAction)ok:sender {
[self apply:sender];
[[self window] orderOut:sender];
}

Good, short, concise way of explaining it. :)

Some like the possibility to either apply&close, or just apply. Of course,
that whether there are both of those or not is again determined by
defaults (ie., the user).

Yes, but I think that most people who use Mac OS X these days, come from
Mac OS, where they are used to the OK/Cancel button.
-Many of these people think (like I indicated) that an Apply-button is
Windows-ish, so I think it's worth considering using the OK/Cancel style.

I'm not saying that you should change, just that I would get confused. ;)
The confusion may originate from that some applications just applies no
matter what (as soon as you click the close-window-button), and other
applications only applies one "pane" -eg. like if you have a TAB-view or
similar, when clicking the Apply button.
There are also applications, which applies all the changes you did, when
you clicked the apply-button.

But whenever an application has the OK/Cancel buttons, you are pretty
sure what they do. :)


Love,
Jens

--
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