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- From: zauhar <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:40:25 -0400
An interesting comparison.
I would make one more comparison - of the ~30 Apple boxes we have, I
have had two breakdowns (both monitor-related) in the last three years.
In contrast, my colleague's new Dell workstation crapped out after a
few months (disk drive), and of the ten Dell computers purchased by the
college for our department's student cluster, four were in various
stages of disrepair in the first year. (I don't deal with them
directly, so don't know what went wrong.)
I would judge the Dell machines even more expensive, if you want to add
wasted time into the calculation.
Randy
On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 10:12 AM, p3consulting wrote:
Apple tested against the Xeon 3.06GHz in a dual CPU configuration,
they used Dell Precision 650 systems.
PPC 970 would hold its own against the Itanium. Against the Itanium 2
it would be about even in integer performance and lag in floating
point. The Itanium 2 isn't very friendly in backwards support while
the PPC 970 is very friendly.
Also most Itanium workstations start at around 4k and have a fraction
of the features found in the new PowerMac G5, I bet an equivalent
system (in feature set) to the low end PowerMac G5 would easily run
you 4.5k or more.
Regarding prices, configuring a Dell 650 bi-Xeon 3Ghz on Dell (Europe)
web site to have more or less same features as the Powermac G5
bi-2Ghz, gives us the following results:
Dell Precision 650
2x Xeon 3.06 Ghz with Hyper-Threading option
ATI Fire 128 Mb
1 Gb Ram (266Mhz)
120 Gb HD ATA-100
DVD-4/CD-RW
W2000 XP Pro
3 years Business support
---------------------------------------------> 4429 Euros excl. VAT
Apple G5
2x 2Ghz PPC970
ATI 9800 Pro 128 Mb
1 Gb Ram (400 Mhz)
160 Gb HD Serial ATA
DVD-4/CD-RW
AppleCare
---------------------------------------------> 3658 Euros excl. VAT
so +/- 21% price advantage in favor of Apple G5.
In SPEC per Euro this gives us:
Apple Dell
SPECint_base2000 47 38 ----> +24% advantage to the G5
SPECfp_rate_base2000 43 25 ----> +72% advantage to the G5
And as you see Dell configuration is not strictly equals to Apple's
one :HD is smaller , no optical connector for sound, no FW800 (?), > etc.
The real world question now is: does this will be enough to increase
Apple's market share in short to medium time ?
Does anybody knows if it will technically possible to get low cost G4
mother boards based on the new design or a design derived from the new
one ? (for low cost entry Macs, @+/- 1,000 Euros or USD, excl. VAT) ?
Pascal Pochet
P3 Consulting
http://www.p3-consulting.net
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