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Re: Cocoa App Package Question
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Re: Cocoa App Package Question


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa App Package Question
  • From: Mark Munz <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:01:04 -0600

On Apr 5, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Malte Tancred wrote:

On 5 apr 2004, at 21.22, Mark Munz wrote:
First, I personally don't have a problem with folks looking at the data file images. I look at this more as a usability issue, not a security issue.

Come on, in the second posting of yours in this thread you stated that "I was more concerned with a user altering a data file or the image resources than just viewing. More so with inexperienced users tinkering than experienced individuals ...".

I've already said that file permissions wouldn't allow you to change the data unless you had rights.

Exactly, so it's not a security issue anymore.

Second, I don't think the feature is useless. Just because it might not meet your personal needs doesn't make it useless. Perhaps it just needs to be an option for Limited User accounts rather than all accounts (ie. Admin accounts always have it).

What are you getting by allowing limited users to access the data file or image resources? The argument for removing the "Show Contents" is the same for having the "Simple Finder" interface. Remove from the interface things which may cause confusion to the user.

Perhaps you don't have to support users, but in my experience, an option like "Show Package Contents" leads to confusion on the part of the user. Most basic users don't understand the concept of a package and it can just lead to confusion. They see the application as an application (that's the whole purpose of a package). True, advanced users may want access to the insides of that package, must basic users don't.

What am I after? I want to keep the interface as simple as possible so that my Mom can use it and not get confused by functionality that doesn't do anything for her.

Are you also opposed to the Simple Finder interface? Because it's all basically the same issue. Providing a simple interface for basic users. I don't understand why folks are freaking ("it's a horrible requirement") out over such an idea.

I'm not opposed to the Simple Finder interface, I'm not opposed to simplified interfaces, I just didn't understand what the heck the feature was for. You wrote about a feature that would keep inexperienced users from tinkering with the contents of an application wrapper. Now you write about a usability issue that---when put the way you just did---doesn't sound that bad.

Actually, you're quoting Marc Blatt, not me. Wrong Mark (mine is with a 'K'). If you check the message on this thread (by Mark Munz), you'll see I've been pretty consistent in thinking this is a nice idea to simplify for basic users.

Still, the "Show Package Contents" action is hidden well in a contextual menu. Do you really think that this is big problem, even from a usability perspective? I'm not sure it is. But then again, I wouldn't call myself an inexperienced user anymore.

Again, I think the strongest argument for removing it for limited users is the fact there is a limited user option. The real question should be "Why is the "Show Package Contents" menu item even available for limited users?" What benefit does it server to give them this access?

Mark Munz
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 >Re: Cocoa App Package Question (From: Charles Srstka <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Cocoa App Package Question (From: Dustin Voss <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Cocoa App Package Question (From: Mark Munz <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Cocoa App Package Question (From: Malte Tancred <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Cocoa App Package Question (From: Mark Munz <email@hidden>)
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