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Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem
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Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem
  • From: Andy Lee <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:20:09 -0400

On May 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Sherm Pendley wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Andy Lee <email@hidden> wrote:

The vast majority of this thread, if not all of it, has been about people struggling to understand the frameworks as they are.

We're talking subjective impressions here, so there's no wrong or right to it, but that's not what I'm getting from this thread.


It looks to me like people are struggling to understand the frameworks in terms of platforms with which they're already familiar.

That may be, but that is different from demanding that Apple "lower the barriers" by changing Cocoa itself to resemble those platforms. I keep harping on that phrase because it is specifically what I was responding to in Jeff's post, and to some extent Graham's.


I believe that if they were truly trying to understand the frameworks *as they are*, rather than as minor variations of themes also found in Java, C++, .NET, etc., they'd be having far less trouble with it.

This, I believe, is where the docs fail. There is plenty of introductory material, but no real emphasis is put on the point that programmers from other platforms really, really do need that material - so those folks tend to skip it, believing that Cocoa is as similar to Java, C++, or .NET as those are to one another. In fact, it's very different, and the docs are weak on emphasizing that fact.

I suspect we violently agree on the major substantive issues, if not always on tone and on some of the side issues. Thanks for this and your previous reply, which also made sense.


--Andy

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