Re: Animated toolbar
Re: Animated toolbar
- Subject: Re: Animated toolbar
- From: Christian Graus <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:46:10 +1100
I tend to agree with much of this. It's worth mentioning that no Windows
app I know of acts this way, except ours. My boss saw the hyperbar WPF
sample and decided he wanted that in our app, and it works great in windows,
because we just go full screen and cover the taskbar, so only our floating,
animated toolbar is shown. I don't see us using a standard toolbar, our big
fear will be that we don't want to lose the pizzaz we have under Windows and
have a bog standard looking Mac app, it will just look like a poor cousin of
our windows app then. But, talking to Kyle today has made me think this
through, and I already agree that because the Dock is going to appear when
people want to access our toolbar, we're going to have to find a new way of
making tools visible, perhaps a bar that animates out of the side or
something like that. One way or another, it does need to be cooler than a
standard toolbar.
I have already made several changes to fit in better with Mac UI, but the
hyperbar is one I'm going to have to fight hard on, b/c it's such an
integral part of our 'better than standard' user interface on PC. We'll
need to think of something flashy that fits in with the Mac.
Christian
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Graham Cox <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> On 7 Feb 2009, at 8:43 am, Christian Graus wrote:
>
> In my app, I want a toolbar like the one at the bottom of OSX, with icons
>> that resize as I move the mouse over them. I want the whole toolbar to
>> hide
>> and to scroll up into view from the bottom of my window when I move my
>> mouse
>> over the little edge that would be always visibl
>>
>
>
> You need to have a serious heart-to-heart with your boss and rethink this.
> If you persist, your app is going to suck on Mac, period. If your boss isn't
> into aesthetics but at least can understand his "bottom line" than at least
> he should get sucky App == poor sales.
>
> Consider this: many users, myself included, place their system dock at the
> bottom of their screen, and set it to auto-hide. Even if you violate the Mac
> user experience by pushing your window right out to the screen edges like a
> Windows app, every time they mouse down to the bottom they are going to get
> two docks - yours and the system one on top (the system dock is designed to
> come up on top of all apps). Your own dock is just not going to be clickable
> or even easily readable. If they have their dock set to be always visible,
> and your window is sized to allow for the dock, the 'target' for them to get
> your dock showing is going to be, what, 2 pixels wide? Recipe for constant
> irritation and frustration.
>
> There is a built-in toolbar system that fits the Mac user experience -
> NSToolbar. You'd be far better off seeing if that will fit your needs, even
> if it doesn't necessarily "look the same" as the Windows version (by the
> way, that's another thing bosses often insist on, not appearing to realise
> that no 'real world' user ever uses their app side-by-side on two different
> platforms, so they won't see or care about these differences - they will, on
> the other hand, very much care that the app is a badly ported Windows app
> that doesn't fit in with all their others).
>
> --Graham
>
>
>
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