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Re: CMYK to Lab bug (part 1)
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Re: CMYK to Lab bug (part 1)


  • Subject: Re: CMYK to Lab bug (part 1)
  • From: Henrik Holmegaard <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:44:53 +0100

'It appears that they (: Adobe) added the PostScript Color Management checkbox in the Save as EPS dialog box in order to dream up some interest in their technology. When this is turned on, Photoshop includes an ICC profile in the EPS file. If you've got a PostScript output device that knows about profiles, it can manage the data 'appropriately'. Otherwise, the printer should ignore it' (Real World Photoshop 5, page 582).

This is not correct. I first discussed the EPS format with Ron Gentile in 1997 in order to understand the dual color space specification support which also bugs PDF.

a. A PostScript RIP does *not* support the ICC color space specification format. It only supports the device color specification and CIEBased color space specification.

b. Photoshop embeds a CIEBasedDEFG four channel CSA *as well as* the whole ICC profile. Simply create a doodle in CMYK mode, save it to disk as an ASCII EPS, and open it in Word (that's the beauty of ASCII -:)).

The ICC profile is ignored in the RIP, of course.

The CIEBasedDEFG CSA is applied in the RIP (if the RIP is post 2017). How the CIEBasedDEFG CSA is applied is defined by the RIP programmer using what in PostScript is called color rendering procedures. A CSA is a source color space characterization. When the RIP looks through the PostScript code and finds a CSA, it grabs that object into CIEXYZ and the programmed rendering procedure gets applied.

If the RIP is pre 2017, it can't handle a CIEBasedDEFG CSA. A pre 2017 RIP can only handle a three channel CSA.

c. Other applications embed the ICC profile and *not* a CIEBasedDEFG CSA. Not even Illustrator does that, as I have said a good many times.

The description of printing and the in-RIP color management workflow in Real World Photoshop 4 is not helpful, either.

I think the problem overall is that there's just too much babying of Adobe users and ICC color management for that matter. The simple fact is that Photoshop requires a very very high level of technical sophistication, or you don't know what you've got. Parts of it are hopelessly undocumented and the only people who know how it works are the in-house engineers. That's OK, they should know, of course, but I'd like to see them tell the rest of us, too.

Either Adobe does a clean sweep and kills the CIEBased color space specification format in its applications, or we all get a proper description of what's implemented, where its implemented, and how its implemented.

--
Henrik Holmegaard
TechWrite, Denmark


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