RE: Pantone
RE: Pantone
- Subject: RE: Pantone
- From: "JO, HYUN JIN" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:36:07 -0500
I would like to take the opportunity to reply to Mr. Rocus' message from
Feb. 9 (colorsync-users digest,
Vol 3 #644) where he expressed his frustrations regarding Pantone and color
workflows. I'd like to address the issues he raised:
1. Pantone is not unlike other companies, (Adobe, Walt Disney, Dolby) which
have invested significant amounts of time, effort, expertise and money in
the development and promotion of their respective intellectual properties.
As such, we do reserve the right to license companies to include our Color
Systems.
I'm not sure where Mr. Rocus obtained his information about the cost
associated with the development of a Pantone look up table and license, but
regardless, many vendors do indeed feel that whatever the cost might be,
there is value in supporting the PANTONE Color System.
2. As Michael Kieran had explained in a previous thread, Pantone did make
improvements to techniques and processes in which simulations to PANTONE
Colors are created. Before 2000, the last edition of the simulations was
printed in 1991. In 2000, we made changes that recognized technologies and
trends in the market since 1991. Among some of the more salient changes in
2000 were that the line screening went from 150 lines to 175 line; a
brighter paper was used; CTP process was deployed and there were different
ink rotations, all of which necessitated a change to the CMYK values used to
simulate PANTONE Colors on press.
3. There are rips with which Pantone has worked to develop a workflow
whereby the postscript file passes the PANTONE Color name to the rip. The
rip then replaces the name with the L*a*b* data so that it can get color
managed as accurately as possible.
4. Pantone by itself cannot solve all of the issues you have raised by
itself. As you know there are complexities and interdependencies that
require interaction and cooperation among solution providers to develop
workflows that useful and productive. Pantone is willing to work with its
partners to improve the workflow. We are not in the position to tell other
companies how to run their respective businesses or tell them what they
should or should not being doing. We have provided Roland and Scanvec input
on how to improve the ColorChoice RIP vis-`-vis the Roland devices. It is
unfortunate these changes were not implemented since some of your problems
would have been dealt with.
5. Although it was some time ago, there was a constructive dialog between
Mr. Rocus and one of our product managers. Therefore, I was a bit surprised
and dismayed at the negative and derogatory tone of Mr. Rocus' posting.
While the issue with the ColorChoice rip has not changed, there might be
other ways we can assist him.
http://www.digitaloutput.net/currentissue/highlight1.html
As stated in the above article which was referenced by Mr. Rocus,
color-managed workflows are helpful and solve many problems. However, our
experience in printing spot colors on color printers since 1985 shows that
the problem is much more complex.
Andy Hatkoff
Vice President
Pantone, Inc.
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DuWayne Rocus wrote:
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The Pantone matching in CMYK to a small Delta E is about 43% press inks.
The
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inkjets have a lot higher gamut and you can push to about 60%. A Roland
with
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OG will be 97% - The average on a Roland is 1.6 DElta E with about a dozen
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colors moving to 6 Delta E and one purple out at 12 Delta E. Pantone won't
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disclose the kind of numbers you looking for. I can't even give you docs
for
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the Roland.
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The problem you are going to have is that:
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1) Pantone is Pantone
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2) It cost any rip manufacturer between $25,000- $80,000 to lookup Pantones
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names, becuase Pantone is protecting their property rights.
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3) Your CMYK sims stink becuase - Pantone changed the values from 133 line
to
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175 line. Quark old tables, Illustrator 10 has corrupt tables, Corel has
old
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tables, and your rip isn't licensed to look up the names.
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4) Your values in a PS file you generate is already trashed long before
your
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rip gets it.
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You can tell I love Pantone.. On July 10, 2002 I emailed the product
managers
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of Pantone listing every problem of why you can NEVER print Pantones colors
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correctly from alll of the rips & apps on the market. There is always a
trap
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or problem. I have a confirmation email that the states says they will look
at
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it.
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ITS BEEN 7 MONTHS AND I DON'T THINK PANTONE CAN SOLVE ANY OF THE ISSUES.
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Further Reading:
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The Pantone nightmare
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http://www.digitaloutput.net/currentissue/highlight1.html
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Very Soon no one will every have to license pantone data every again. It
will
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work for every rip and printer combination out there and it won't violate
any
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of Pantones property rights.
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DuWayne Rocus
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Omniscience, Inc
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South Florida Roland Dealer
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