Re: Need Advice
Re: Need Advice
- Subject: Re: Need Advice
- From: "Cris Daniels" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:13:22 -0500
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With certain output problems, on certain printers, with certain
inksets, and certain stocks, yes, of course. A good profileable RIP
with transparent linearisation and proper ICC compliance will certainly
be useful<
The truth is that once you have tried to profile an Epson through the "No
Color Adjustment" mode, and then used an alternative software that actually
prints decent targets to work with, you tend to forget about the Epson
workflow. Even the standard Epson papers profile better with IP. The Epson
driver just dumps way too much black, and has no shadow detail.
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I'm surprised, I thought Bill's work excellent on the 9600 and 7600.
I'm hearing great things about ImagePrint fro some people. But let's
get the story straight.
Haven't I seen you, yourself, comment here that Imageprint really needs
custom profiles for acccuracy. It seems a not insignificant task to
produce and use them - as I hear from those who tried. Can't recall if
Andrew ever cracked that one.
I've certainly read a lot of recipes for setting up the driver, which
seems far from transparent, but I don't think I've read of a success<
Bill's profiles are fine for free. There are areas where compared to
ImagePrint that there are tonal breaks which are just unavoidable, and the
lack of detail in the shadows. The prints that I've shown people that compare
both output workflows make this case very strongly. The overall prints look
good until judged against a higher standard, and thats what I'd expect for the
additional financial outlay of a RIP.
Profiling ImagePrint is easy. If you have a printer very close to Colorbyte,
you will be in good shape. Most people will get very good color, however you
never really know what you are getting until you print and give it a try. The
PDF bundled with Bill's profiles mention that the Prographics Epson's are
generally deviating around 2-3 delta e, this is NOT my experience and I'm sure
that Bill was given that number from Epson. If these numbers were true, it is
likely that almost all users could use the same profiles but many cannot from
my experience. If you are off, you'll need to profile. Pretty simple.
Colorbyte will make you some profiles but I don't know about the turn around
time, best to contact tech support for a firm answer. I'm not a color
scientist by any means, but do my own profiles anyway.
The recipies are very misunderstood, there is no setup per se on the users
end. The recipe is based on the actual cartridge values of the inkset, the
density and color of the inks is known. The blending points are established
that are optimal for each print mode. This is why IP is so simple to profile,
all my raw profiling targets have excellent grey balance and density, unlike
the Epson driver targets which look like a dark crossover nightmare. I'll have
to pick another day to babble about IP, but it is not like other RIP's.
PMP4.1 works fine, just use the 918 target, the 288 is a bit weak and if you
are going to bother profiling why use the small target anyway.
Myself: <You can also make a strong
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case that B+W printing is all but impossible with the standard driver.
Neil: < I definitely don't agree there, I've seen exemplary mono from a
European 9860 I profiled in the UK. For a fine monochome photographer
with VERY high standards. Little or no noticeable illuminant metameric
graybalance shift was seen.
I won't argue if you like it. I don't have the same experience and the yellow
ink dooms the B+W prints to metamerism hell, thats why colorbyte doesn't use
it at all to print B+W output.
<As I remember he already demoed the printer with a RIP, and was
disappointed>
It important to find a dealer who knows what they are doing, most are box
movers. Dealers who know their stuff are not likely the cheapest ones either.
my 2 cents...
Cris Daniels
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